Seems like my peers are getting really good. My best friend Rufio has been improving DRAMATICALLY. He has 2 girls in rotation that are solid f-closes. He is looking to add 2 more girls. My other buddy Sparrow got a solid f-close with a hottie Asian chick. Good job to both of them. These were guys who I started out with when I was learning to game; neither one of them could f-close, let alone k-close.
We had a ton of inner game issues at that time, plus we didn't have the skill set to be able to close. When it came to closing, we were clueless and spending a ton of time online figuring out routines that would help us out. Little by little, we started getting there... and now, these guys have made milestones.
I remember Rufio and I attracting a lot of girls here in Riverside, when he still lived here, but we couldn't muster courage to kiss any of them - let alone even just confess our feelings. Those were hard times.. and we were really afraid of shit tests. Like "OMG I'm never going to hear the end of it if I fuck up.." scared. Mainly because we didn't want to be outcast from our social circle we worked so hard to create. The fear of losing everything was too much. There was this fear we'd be branded 'creepy' for life for making the 'wrong' moves... so we did our best to always 'hide' until the right moment came about. The right moment never came.. and in the end we still made TONS of mistakes. We ended up leaving the social circle. The worst part was that there were a lot of girls in our group we probably could have got with.. but we didn't have the skill set to do so.
Well, the best thing Rufio and I ever did was leave that social circle. He went to NY, I decided to exist as an outcast... From there every time we made a mistake on new sets, neither of us cared. Especially on cold approaches or building new social circles. If it failed, whatever.. start all over again. This attitude helped us really improve ourselves.
It's been what, six months, since Rufio left? In that time, he's been able to test tons of PU routines, openers, PUA styles, etc. It's all finally paying off for him. Going out and gaming both day and night... as often as one can.. eventually you figure it out..
I'm on my way there too. I've gotten better at creating social circles. I cold approach a lot. Now just need to pull. I know it'll happen, just need to make my social circles work better to my advantage.. sometimes I game too far away which does me no good. I need more day2s. That'll be something I work on for April. Anyway, congrats to both Rufio and Sparrow.. you guys are doing awesome and hope to be on your side of the fence soon!
- Cloud
Wednesday, March 31, 2010
Sunday, March 28, 2010
FR - Party Weekend Dancing 3-28-10
Sup! A lot of things I want to write about today. Just been sort of a hassle trying to organize my thoughts up to this point. I've been out for the last 72 hours hanging out with friends and family. Also spent a lot of time in Long Beach. Man that place is really awesome... so many people walking around and things to do in the Belmont Shores & Pier areas... I spent the whole day just checking out the fun things to do there... definitely have to start pulling some Day 2s there; or at least join some Meetup groups and sarge Friday/Saturday in that area. I even found public restrooms I could pull to, if I ever got super good like Mister BradP.
Actually, I've been reading BradP's 'Diary of a Pickup Artist', which is a really cool book. If you've never read it, you should get it.. I think he has it free on his site if you sign up for his newsletter. He pulls a lot to public restrooms and stuff in the book so after you read it, you start observing things like this in real life too.. your mind just becomes more aware. Also I just like his attitude to gaming in general, very proactive.
Anyway, so on Thursday night, Flex and I went to Margarita Beach as usual. We were kind of weak that night.. neither of us really were alpha gaming. I also chose not to alpha game.. I didn't want to stand out too much; rather just pull girls as I saw the ones I liked.
But it sucked. So lesson learned... be alpha. I spent 90% of my time standing on the wall with a drink hoping I'd make eye contact with some girl and start a conversation. It never happened. The other 10% I weak opened a couple people smoking and made observations about fights outside. There were 4 fights in total at that club.. talk about ghettooo! I think the fights were mostly started because of disputes between bouncers and guys trying to fake their way in. The bouncers seemed a bit vicious though.. one bouncer in particular looked like the Hulk from Marvel Comics.
I tried to dance floor game a bit, which actually worked better for me. Two girls danced around me, which was pretty cool, but I kept getting in my head about whether to dance with them or not. So I just beta danced with them until they got bored and went away. I saw a whole bunch of guys really tearing up the floor so I joined them and used the dance to raise my state.
It was pretty effective... if you ever feel chody or out of 'woo' just go jump in the dance floor and join the alpha group. There'll be like 5 or 6 guys there, of them 2 can really dance and are the ones 'competing' for attention, while the other 4 are just spectators. They can dance too but it's pretty weak, and nothing you can't really copy yourself. As long as you just mess around, you're cool and you're in; and most likely they’ll teach you so you get better. Those guys just want validation most times.. so they appreciate it when you help their cause.
Plus, if you dance around with some alpha guys, chicks just naturally join you. I feel like dancing is a guy's way of doing a mating call... like how you would see on the Discovery channel when a male spider is like trying to woo a black widow female spider. (Haha.. not a nice example).
From that point, the 'alphaest' men just grab the chick and start grinding with her. It works pretty well. Even if the chick is a good dancer too, she prefers to grind because she needs that sexual release. She was so attracted to the dance that she needs to be dominated. So that was another good lesson I learned.
Just going onto the floor and trying to pull girls to dance with you doesn't work. A lot of girl sets would freak out and go away. I tried to grind against one chick who looked up and saw me, and ran away. She was so scared, even though she danced a couple seconds with me. Must have thought I was her girl ‘friend’.
You have to establish some 'fun' vibe first.. by bouncing around and being cool.. not a 'retard'. And you sort of have to match their vibe too.. plus 1 or 2 points. If you go up way too high, they get scared and run away. Especially with chody girls.. if you are TOO good, they just sit back and watch you.. they become spectators. So it just has to be up a slight notch which is difficult to calibrate. It's just so much easier to be high energy and attract the crazy girls who wanna grind.
I think with chody girls, if you match their vibe a bit and then spin them, you may get a 50% chance with them – not always you still can blow out. But 50% is a good percentage. If they are receptive, they smile a bit more – hey you made her day!! Yay!
The hardcore grinding, you have to save for a little later though.. she has to feel comfortable first with you moving her around a bit and at least knowing your name. Easiest way is to pull her in and talk in her ear (asking regular nice guy stuff.. name, where from). Then she kinda loosens up.
I know this because actually the second night, when I hung out with Omega and his friends, Chai & SyFy, I did a ton of dance game at Club Cabana.
It was Asian night, so there were a LOT of Asian girls at the venue. Many were 'beta' though.. like afraid of being opened 'direct'... so I experienced a lot of this first hand. In fact, we became 'chody' as a result of so many beta girls.. we were kinda stuck trying to figure out what to do. I lucked out because I attracted a SUPER hot girl that I opened indirect, who pulled me to the dance floor.
She was a pro dancer, and she expected me to rise to her level. I'm not a good dancer, but if anything I've learned in this game, I'm a master of not revealing all my cards. It's all about the poker face. So I acted like I was 'pretty good' but saving it only for dancing with someone really good. That made me sort of a challenge to her, because I wasn't going all out. I first kinda just pushed her away when she got close to me, (teasingly), then finally grabbed her RSD style and began grinding hard. She LOVED it. We were grinding super hard on the dance floor for a couple songs. Then finally, she pushed me off.. I think ASD kicked in for her. I prob should have pushed her off first.. but I wasn't thinking... I was like huge EGO in that moment.. "lawl.. I'm such a big pimp... grinding with this chick".
After she jumped off, I danced with her other friend who was there. She was the more 'chody' nice girl, so I danced at her 'level' and spun her a couple times. Then I pulled her into me and soft grinded. I asked her name and where she and my target were from. They were from Arkansas! Of all places... I guess Hollywood has a lot of outside visitors.
As we kept dancing, I just kept to the beat.. not going super high energy unless the beat required. It was pretty easy and the girl was enjoying it too. I got a look at her face better, and I was like.. okay she's a 6..maybe. If I can't get my target, I'll work this girl. But luckily my target started wanting me back, so I began dancing with her again.
But you can't have too much of a good thing... cause as soon as we began dancing hard.. two other AMOGs appeared - I think these guys were either naturals or PUAs. They noticed the high state and they tried to pull my girl. I had to battle them both, by holding onto her, but one guy snatched her away in the confusion. He was extremely aggressive.. she resisted a lot, but she eventually gave in because he was really smooth in his 'delivery'. Something I need to work on.. he worked mad game in those few minutes. I think he kept holding onto her while telling her she was no 'match' for him.. he kept 'pushing her away' with his words.. almost like hypnotism.. 'you're mine, just give in, I won't let you escape tonite', etc. So they danced for a bit -- he was balsy but good. That's where I think she lost her 'attraction' for me. I wasn't the most 'alpha' guy there anymore.. just one of the 'alphas'.
I danced with HBNice again, and we had some fun.. but I felt my HBHOT slipping away. Finally, I got courage and went back for her when the other guy slightly got confused. I pulled her back and danced, but it wasn't the same. I did a lot of 'beta dancing' (where I just danced with her, but we weren't holding each other). At some points I'd pull her into me and grind but it was still weird. She was also more ADD, her brother had gone somewhere and she wanted to find him. So we jumped out of the dance floor a couple times to help find the guy. Her brother was this huge fat guy with ZERO game. He seemed like he wanted to stay home and play Nintendo or something. He was super uncomfortable in the environment. I ended up soft closing the HBHOT getting her Facebook; I felt like I had to cut my losses and go back to gaming other chicks.
But she actually wanted to hang with me a little longer.. because she was actually one of Omega's friend's friends – Syfy – I got some mini social proof out of it again. We found that out a little after I left her briefly and saw her again drinking by our table. So I talked to her a bit and tried to number close, but it wasn't calibrated well so she cut my thread and talked about something else. She was so alpha...
I ended up losing her again because Syfy went hardcore after her. Apparently the two had been dating way back in the day, and he wanted her again. She was definitely hot... on the hot scale, I'd say an 8.5 or 9. Probably one of the hottest girls I've gamed in a while. I tried to compete with Syfy a little.. but he had way more of an advantage -- she hated him and he used that to his advantage. He kept flirting hardcore with her saying things like you're my 'slut', you're my 'bitch'.. and she'd give it right back to him.
It seemed like he was harrassing her.. but he had a vibe that was like super cocky funny. Without the funny part, he would have been arrested. He also pushed her away A LOT. Like he'd pull her but then push and say 'haha you're not that special.. you’re just my bitch, you aint attracting any other guys with that kind of dance style'. It was really douch-baggy… he even grabbed her nipples and squeezed them, which got him a tight slap.
But he laughed it off and kept up this sort of 'incredible persistence'. Even though it was 'repulsive', she felt overwhelmed by it.. and it converted into HUGE sexual attraction to him. You could see it in the way they kinoed each other… hard sexual slaps. I had to stand back and just watch. I HAD NO CHANCE by that point. She didn't even acknowledge I was there.. it was just her and Syfy in their own twisted reality – they were calling each other slut , whore, cunt, bitch, every word you could think of – but having a sexually tense fun time. I had to just stick with my HBnicegirl and dance while we saw the whole thing unfold.
I feel like that was another super learning point for me. Because I had my own similar experience dating super resistant HBK, I could see it happening again with these two. Even though HBK resisted me sooo much, and told me things like she ‘hated me, she didn’t like me, she just wanted to be friends’; we still had intense makeouts that almost led to sex. She gave in to me because I was persistent and good at reframing everything… like Syfy was doing here. On the surface it looks HARSH.. you’d be like WTF… this dude shouldn’t be saying / doing that with this girl. She is telling him she hates him. But there was a CLEAR vibe that she wanted him badly… sexually badly.. you could see it in her undertones.
Slowly but surely, HBHot began submitting and giving into to her strong desire to be with Syfy again, despite HUGE initial ASD. I feel like ASD is a good sign and getting a lot of resistance is a sign you’re doing things right. If you aren’t getting these things you’re not getting attraction. It’s super scary when you see ASD at such a high level but I guess you just have to man up and not let it affect you.. keep a smile on your face and just keep being super cool and fun. You stop first, not her.. you push her away, not her.. etc.
Alas, despite having amazing game in that moment, Syfy fucked it up... he got her hot and bothered, and managed to convince her to come back to his place.. but he invited the rest of us along. I was like WTF. I tried to give him a chance and said I’d go to Long Beach.. but he insisted I come.
So I came and others were there, including HBHot. Chai was with his gf on the couch, while HBHot and Syfy were having their love match. We ate dinner together.. Syfy cooked some good chicken. Syfy tried to maintain the level of playful banter he had in the club with HBHot, but it kept fading. I saw it coming… I was like dude.. you blew it by having us over. I guess maybe he didn’t want to fuck her that bad. Eventually logic slipped back into HBHot’s head and she began hard-pressing him that she needed to get going and do homework. Syfy tried to raise attraction desperately again… challenging her with "Bullshit, you never study slut, you’re just my slut". They had some more 'outrageous banter' for a bit, but HBHot ended up winning the match. Wow.. so painful I thought to myself. I could see it in his face as he ended up letting her go. He told me… “damn she’s so hot.. she’s so hot…” I was a little annoyed with him and decided to take my leave too.
But I made sure to thank him and the other guys for everything – they had gone out of their way to celebrate my birthday VIP style in Hollywood. It was really nice.. they got a table with bottle service. That was freaking awesome. Next time, I‘ll be more ADD and approach more sets so we can bring them back to the table...; we didn’t use it nearly enough to our advantage. I spent wayy too much time on HBHot. I prob could have kept gaming her, but I should have done a few more sets so I had 'backups'.
HBNicegirl wasn't really cutting it for me.. after seeing everything go down with HBHot – including seeing how inferior my game was to these other guys, I decided in that moment I wanted to game only HOT girls from now on. The challenge of it - fighting AMOGs, bantering on their level, pawning, learning the social dynamics.. is so much more fun, and rewarding… you really become a ‘true’ X-men by pushing yourself to game at that level.
Thoughts/Things I learned
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- Don't stand around in a club waiting for shit to happen. It sucks. A lot of 'naturals' think that just dressing cool and 'waiting' for the right chance to pull is the way to go about this stuff.. but they rarely get laid this way.. I notice my 'natural' friends are pulling lays because of hooking up with an ‘ex’ they were introduced to by a friend… not really because they pushed to do a cold approach. A lot of them fear cold approaching which is bad. You have to cold approach if you want your circle to expand beyond your ex gf. The more I approached, indirect or direct, the more chances I got, and the more shit I learned. I didn't learn anything by standing around.
- Dance game stuff:
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- You can use it to boost your state; just jump in and start dancing like no one's watching. More than likely you'll get attention.
- Be able to see 'alpha' chicks as well as 'beta' chicks. Alphas are the ones that dance around you (they are attracted and confident - so they're willing to take a 'risk' and meet you). Grab them and start dancing.
- Beta chicks need more work. You can sense they are beta because they don't approach you. They might have 'sparks of confidence' where they look at you or smile, but you still have to go in around the same energy and vibe as them, plus 1 point. Too much and they get scared off. Ease in, then take their hands and spin them around. Talk to them while you dance. Then just get off the dance floor first.
- If there's two girls, dance with the other for a bit, so she doesn't get jealous or pull the friend away. Dance with both, then you can jump off the dance floor. Give them an excuse to come join you off the dance floor.. like to get a drink. Then run regular game. You do not need to run hardcore dance game with chody girls.. cause they will just get nervous and scared off.
- With hot 'alpha' girls, you gotta give off a vibe like you can dance, but act teasingly deny that you are good. My good friend Swish does this all the time, and he is an AMAZING dancer. You gotta let them try to challenge you a bit and push them away, but then pull when she least expects it and go at it. Confusion = good. You also gotta push them off first.. and jump other girls. Then she'll be more attracted, and want more. Give a little more, but push her off again and leave the floor.
- Then you can work regular game and pull her to a makeout spot. Don't number close a hot girl.. it's a waste.. with that much high BT, she doesn't want you to ask her number.. she wants to bone you. At least makeout or go all the way for a pull. Get her number later, when you are trying to figure out logistics after making out.
- Asian girls in general - indirect/situational is the way to go. I think direct blows you out too quick (probably debatable), but after being blown out a lot using direct, I get the vibe they hate 'being picked up'. Most Asian girls are chody (I think Hispanic girls are the same too.. need more field research tho) in general. They want you to talk to them but they also have the hardest time letting themselves go... they don't want to be the 'slut' in front of their friends. After you ask a few questions and build some comfort, that's the time to go cocky/funny and super direct on intent. That's when it works the best. At least for me, I'd say I get blown out 10% I go indirect, and almost 90% when I go direct. Of all my indirect sets, I would say I always get some level of attraction whereas direct gets me zero if they react negatively.
- Finally practice being cocky and funny. It takes a TON of field practice.. you have to be willing to blow out a lot and lose tons of sets in order to get it down right. But once you start getting it down, you can really turn a girl on .. in a negative way. But that negative energy converts to sexual frustration and then HOT attraction for you, especially if you makeout. I keep seeing it again and again...Syfy vs HBHot was no exception. I can see the girl resisting hard but slowly submitting to her desire.. because the guy's frame is so bold and dominant. That's the way to be. You can open indirect, but after you get comfort... PUSH to be a challenge she has to win. Push her away, dance with other girls, give little bits of validation, keep her on edge. That's how you build GIANT attraction. I don't think the attraction you get from 'storytelling' or doing 'magic' tricks even compare to the level of attraction you can get by mastering cocky/funny.
- Cloud
Actually, I've been reading BradP's 'Diary of a Pickup Artist', which is a really cool book. If you've never read it, you should get it.. I think he has it free on his site if you sign up for his newsletter. He pulls a lot to public restrooms and stuff in the book so after you read it, you start observing things like this in real life too.. your mind just becomes more aware. Also I just like his attitude to gaming in general, very proactive.
Anyway, so on Thursday night, Flex and I went to Margarita Beach as usual. We were kind of weak that night.. neither of us really were alpha gaming. I also chose not to alpha game.. I didn't want to stand out too much; rather just pull girls as I saw the ones I liked.
But it sucked. So lesson learned... be alpha. I spent 90% of my time standing on the wall with a drink hoping I'd make eye contact with some girl and start a conversation. It never happened. The other 10% I weak opened a couple people smoking and made observations about fights outside. There were 4 fights in total at that club.. talk about ghettooo! I think the fights were mostly started because of disputes between bouncers and guys trying to fake their way in. The bouncers seemed a bit vicious though.. one bouncer in particular looked like the Hulk from Marvel Comics.
I tried to dance floor game a bit, which actually worked better for me. Two girls danced around me, which was pretty cool, but I kept getting in my head about whether to dance with them or not. So I just beta danced with them until they got bored and went away. I saw a whole bunch of guys really tearing up the floor so I joined them and used the dance to raise my state.
It was pretty effective... if you ever feel chody or out of 'woo' just go jump in the dance floor and join the alpha group. There'll be like 5 or 6 guys there, of them 2 can really dance and are the ones 'competing' for attention, while the other 4 are just spectators. They can dance too but it's pretty weak, and nothing you can't really copy yourself. As long as you just mess around, you're cool and you're in; and most likely they’ll teach you so you get better. Those guys just want validation most times.. so they appreciate it when you help their cause.
Plus, if you dance around with some alpha guys, chicks just naturally join you. I feel like dancing is a guy's way of doing a mating call... like how you would see on the Discovery channel when a male spider is like trying to woo a black widow female spider. (Haha.. not a nice example).
From that point, the 'alphaest' men just grab the chick and start grinding with her. It works pretty well. Even if the chick is a good dancer too, she prefers to grind because she needs that sexual release. She was so attracted to the dance that she needs to be dominated. So that was another good lesson I learned.
Just going onto the floor and trying to pull girls to dance with you doesn't work. A lot of girl sets would freak out and go away. I tried to grind against one chick who looked up and saw me, and ran away. She was so scared, even though she danced a couple seconds with me. Must have thought I was her girl ‘friend’.
You have to establish some 'fun' vibe first.. by bouncing around and being cool.. not a 'retard'. And you sort of have to match their vibe too.. plus 1 or 2 points. If you go up way too high, they get scared and run away. Especially with chody girls.. if you are TOO good, they just sit back and watch you.. they become spectators. So it just has to be up a slight notch which is difficult to calibrate. It's just so much easier to be high energy and attract the crazy girls who wanna grind.
I think with chody girls, if you match their vibe a bit and then spin them, you may get a 50% chance with them – not always you still can blow out. But 50% is a good percentage. If they are receptive, they smile a bit more – hey you made her day!! Yay!
The hardcore grinding, you have to save for a little later though.. she has to feel comfortable first with you moving her around a bit and at least knowing your name. Easiest way is to pull her in and talk in her ear (asking regular nice guy stuff.. name, where from). Then she kinda loosens up.
I know this because actually the second night, when I hung out with Omega and his friends, Chai & SyFy, I did a ton of dance game at Club Cabana.
It was Asian night, so there were a LOT of Asian girls at the venue. Many were 'beta' though.. like afraid of being opened 'direct'... so I experienced a lot of this first hand. In fact, we became 'chody' as a result of so many beta girls.. we were kinda stuck trying to figure out what to do. I lucked out because I attracted a SUPER hot girl that I opened indirect, who pulled me to the dance floor.
She was a pro dancer, and she expected me to rise to her level. I'm not a good dancer, but if anything I've learned in this game, I'm a master of not revealing all my cards. It's all about the poker face. So I acted like I was 'pretty good' but saving it only for dancing with someone really good. That made me sort of a challenge to her, because I wasn't going all out. I first kinda just pushed her away when she got close to me, (teasingly), then finally grabbed her RSD style and began grinding hard. She LOVED it. We were grinding super hard on the dance floor for a couple songs. Then finally, she pushed me off.. I think ASD kicked in for her. I prob should have pushed her off first.. but I wasn't thinking... I was like huge EGO in that moment.. "lawl.. I'm such a big pimp... grinding with this chick".
After she jumped off, I danced with her other friend who was there. She was the more 'chody' nice girl, so I danced at her 'level' and spun her a couple times. Then I pulled her into me and soft grinded. I asked her name and where she and my target were from. They were from Arkansas! Of all places... I guess Hollywood has a lot of outside visitors.
As we kept dancing, I just kept to the beat.. not going super high energy unless the beat required. It was pretty easy and the girl was enjoying it too. I got a look at her face better, and I was like.. okay she's a 6..maybe. If I can't get my target, I'll work this girl. But luckily my target started wanting me back, so I began dancing with her again.
But you can't have too much of a good thing... cause as soon as we began dancing hard.. two other AMOGs appeared - I think these guys were either naturals or PUAs. They noticed the high state and they tried to pull my girl. I had to battle them both, by holding onto her, but one guy snatched her away in the confusion. He was extremely aggressive.. she resisted a lot, but she eventually gave in because he was really smooth in his 'delivery'. Something I need to work on.. he worked mad game in those few minutes. I think he kept holding onto her while telling her she was no 'match' for him.. he kept 'pushing her away' with his words.. almost like hypnotism.. 'you're mine, just give in, I won't let you escape tonite', etc. So they danced for a bit -- he was balsy but good. That's where I think she lost her 'attraction' for me. I wasn't the most 'alpha' guy there anymore.. just one of the 'alphas'.
I danced with HBNice again, and we had some fun.. but I felt my HBHOT slipping away. Finally, I got courage and went back for her when the other guy slightly got confused. I pulled her back and danced, but it wasn't the same. I did a lot of 'beta dancing' (where I just danced with her, but we weren't holding each other). At some points I'd pull her into me and grind but it was still weird. She was also more ADD, her brother had gone somewhere and she wanted to find him. So we jumped out of the dance floor a couple times to help find the guy. Her brother was this huge fat guy with ZERO game. He seemed like he wanted to stay home and play Nintendo or something. He was super uncomfortable in the environment. I ended up soft closing the HBHOT getting her Facebook; I felt like I had to cut my losses and go back to gaming other chicks.
But she actually wanted to hang with me a little longer.. because she was actually one of Omega's friend's friends – Syfy – I got some mini social proof out of it again. We found that out a little after I left her briefly and saw her again drinking by our table. So I talked to her a bit and tried to number close, but it wasn't calibrated well so she cut my thread and talked about something else. She was so alpha...
I ended up losing her again because Syfy went hardcore after her. Apparently the two had been dating way back in the day, and he wanted her again. She was definitely hot... on the hot scale, I'd say an 8.5 or 9. Probably one of the hottest girls I've gamed in a while. I tried to compete with Syfy a little.. but he had way more of an advantage -- she hated him and he used that to his advantage. He kept flirting hardcore with her saying things like you're my 'slut', you're my 'bitch'.. and she'd give it right back to him.
It seemed like he was harrassing her.. but he had a vibe that was like super cocky funny. Without the funny part, he would have been arrested. He also pushed her away A LOT. Like he'd pull her but then push and say 'haha you're not that special.. you’re just my bitch, you aint attracting any other guys with that kind of dance style'. It was really douch-baggy… he even grabbed her nipples and squeezed them, which got him a tight slap.
But he laughed it off and kept up this sort of 'incredible persistence'. Even though it was 'repulsive', she felt overwhelmed by it.. and it converted into HUGE sexual attraction to him. You could see it in the way they kinoed each other… hard sexual slaps. I had to stand back and just watch. I HAD NO CHANCE by that point. She didn't even acknowledge I was there.. it was just her and Syfy in their own twisted reality – they were calling each other slut , whore, cunt, bitch, every word you could think of – but having a sexually tense fun time. I had to just stick with my HBnicegirl and dance while we saw the whole thing unfold.
I feel like that was another super learning point for me. Because I had my own similar experience dating super resistant HBK, I could see it happening again with these two. Even though HBK resisted me sooo much, and told me things like she ‘hated me, she didn’t like me, she just wanted to be friends’; we still had intense makeouts that almost led to sex. She gave in to me because I was persistent and good at reframing everything… like Syfy was doing here. On the surface it looks HARSH.. you’d be like WTF… this dude shouldn’t be saying / doing that with this girl. She is telling him she hates him. But there was a CLEAR vibe that she wanted him badly… sexually badly.. you could see it in her undertones.
Slowly but surely, HBHot began submitting and giving into to her strong desire to be with Syfy again, despite HUGE initial ASD. I feel like ASD is a good sign and getting a lot of resistance is a sign you’re doing things right. If you aren’t getting these things you’re not getting attraction. It’s super scary when you see ASD at such a high level but I guess you just have to man up and not let it affect you.. keep a smile on your face and just keep being super cool and fun. You stop first, not her.. you push her away, not her.. etc.
Alas, despite having amazing game in that moment, Syfy fucked it up... he got her hot and bothered, and managed to convince her to come back to his place.. but he invited the rest of us along. I was like WTF. I tried to give him a chance and said I’d go to Long Beach.. but he insisted I come.
So I came and others were there, including HBHot. Chai was with his gf on the couch, while HBHot and Syfy were having their love match. We ate dinner together.. Syfy cooked some good chicken. Syfy tried to maintain the level of playful banter he had in the club with HBHot, but it kept fading. I saw it coming… I was like dude.. you blew it by having us over. I guess maybe he didn’t want to fuck her that bad. Eventually logic slipped back into HBHot’s head and she began hard-pressing him that she needed to get going and do homework. Syfy tried to raise attraction desperately again… challenging her with "Bullshit, you never study slut, you’re just my slut". They had some more 'outrageous banter' for a bit, but HBHot ended up winning the match. Wow.. so painful I thought to myself. I could see it in his face as he ended up letting her go. He told me… “damn she’s so hot.. she’s so hot…” I was a little annoyed with him and decided to take my leave too.
But I made sure to thank him and the other guys for everything – they had gone out of their way to celebrate my birthday VIP style in Hollywood. It was really nice.. they got a table with bottle service. That was freaking awesome. Next time, I‘ll be more ADD and approach more sets so we can bring them back to the table...; we didn’t use it nearly enough to our advantage. I spent wayy too much time on HBHot. I prob could have kept gaming her, but I should have done a few more sets so I had 'backups'.
HBNicegirl wasn't really cutting it for me.. after seeing everything go down with HBHot – including seeing how inferior my game was to these other guys, I decided in that moment I wanted to game only HOT girls from now on. The challenge of it - fighting AMOGs, bantering on their level, pawning, learning the social dynamics.. is so much more fun, and rewarding… you really become a ‘true’ X-men by pushing yourself to game at that level.
Thoughts/Things I learned
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- Don't stand around in a club waiting for shit to happen. It sucks. A lot of 'naturals' think that just dressing cool and 'waiting' for the right chance to pull is the way to go about this stuff.. but they rarely get laid this way.. I notice my 'natural' friends are pulling lays because of hooking up with an ‘ex’ they were introduced to by a friend… not really because they pushed to do a cold approach. A lot of them fear cold approaching which is bad. You have to cold approach if you want your circle to expand beyond your ex gf. The more I approached, indirect or direct, the more chances I got, and the more shit I learned. I didn't learn anything by standing around.
- Dance game stuff:
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- You can use it to boost your state; just jump in and start dancing like no one's watching. More than likely you'll get attention.
- Be able to see 'alpha' chicks as well as 'beta' chicks. Alphas are the ones that dance around you (they are attracted and confident - so they're willing to take a 'risk' and meet you). Grab them and start dancing.
- Beta chicks need more work. You can sense they are beta because they don't approach you. They might have 'sparks of confidence' where they look at you or smile, but you still have to go in around the same energy and vibe as them, plus 1 point. Too much and they get scared off. Ease in, then take their hands and spin them around. Talk to them while you dance. Then just get off the dance floor first.
- If there's two girls, dance with the other for a bit, so she doesn't get jealous or pull the friend away. Dance with both, then you can jump off the dance floor. Give them an excuse to come join you off the dance floor.. like to get a drink. Then run regular game. You do not need to run hardcore dance game with chody girls.. cause they will just get nervous and scared off.
- With hot 'alpha' girls, you gotta give off a vibe like you can dance, but act teasingly deny that you are good. My good friend Swish does this all the time, and he is an AMAZING dancer. You gotta let them try to challenge you a bit and push them away, but then pull when she least expects it and go at it. Confusion = good. You also gotta push them off first.. and jump other girls. Then she'll be more attracted, and want more. Give a little more, but push her off again and leave the floor.
- Then you can work regular game and pull her to a makeout spot. Don't number close a hot girl.. it's a waste.. with that much high BT, she doesn't want you to ask her number.. she wants to bone you. At least makeout or go all the way for a pull. Get her number later, when you are trying to figure out logistics after making out.
- Asian girls in general - indirect/situational is the way to go. I think direct blows you out too quick (probably debatable), but after being blown out a lot using direct, I get the vibe they hate 'being picked up'. Most Asian girls are chody (I think Hispanic girls are the same too.. need more field research tho) in general. They want you to talk to them but they also have the hardest time letting themselves go... they don't want to be the 'slut' in front of their friends. After you ask a few questions and build some comfort, that's the time to go cocky/funny and super direct on intent. That's when it works the best. At least for me, I'd say I get blown out 10% I go indirect, and almost 90% when I go direct. Of all my indirect sets, I would say I always get some level of attraction whereas direct gets me zero if they react negatively.
- Finally practice being cocky and funny. It takes a TON of field practice.. you have to be willing to blow out a lot and lose tons of sets in order to get it down right. But once you start getting it down, you can really turn a girl on .. in a negative way. But that negative energy converts to sexual frustration and then HOT attraction for you, especially if you makeout. I keep seeing it again and again...Syfy vs HBHot was no exception. I can see the girl resisting hard but slowly submitting to her desire.. because the guy's frame is so bold and dominant. That's the way to be. You can open indirect, but after you get comfort... PUSH to be a challenge she has to win. Push her away, dance with other girls, give little bits of validation, keep her on edge. That's how you build GIANT attraction. I don't think the attraction you get from 'storytelling' or doing 'magic' tricks even compare to the level of attraction you can get by mastering cocky/funny.
- Cloud
Friday, March 26, 2010
Birthday Stuff
For those of you who know me in real life, you know it's my birthday today. I'll be celebrating tonight at Club Cabana in Hollywood. If you can make it, come out and hang with me! :)
Tuesday, March 23, 2010
FR Cloud vs the Social Toast 3-21-10 (NOT)
Actually it wasn't really a versus match per se. It was more like Cloud kicked back and just met people. Omega and I were on the guestlist for Charm's social toast party. Since I didn't want to crowd the party with more sausage.. I invited a girl I picked up from a couple nights to come along.
The three of us went to Santa Monica near the Playa Vista area... man I love that area. That's where I used to work.. EA Games. (I was a video game tester in my past life). The setting was beautiful, near the beach and all the restaurants had a cozy nightlife feel to them. The party was at a place called 'World Cafe' and when we went inside there were already tons of beautiful people hanging out together. We quickly met with Charm and thanked him for the invite, then we began introducing ourselves to everyone else.
I noticed there were a ton of alpha looking guys in the room. Omega told me that many of the guys who show up to these parties are the cream of the crop in terms of Pickup, therefore they bring the hottest women to mingle together... for the purpose of meeting other hot women.
I felt a bit intimidated and thought to myself.. ("Hell can I even compete? I can be alpha and direct and all.. but I'd probably fuck up..given the last few nights at Hollywood and in the IE. I'm not anywhere close to being 'cream of the crop'...and also this is Charm's party.. he allowed me to come check it out.. and if I fuck it up, it would be like I would be telling him a big FUCK YOU dude".)
I still wanted to at least try to practice, but I didn't really know what I could do or not do. So I decided to kick back, watch what other guys were doing and see what was 'socially appropriate'. None of the guys were going crazy or escalating on chicks. I was a little worried... some big name CC guys were in the room .. I wondered if they would be hardcore closers having sex on the couch like in all these FRs I read about...Would I get left with scraps? Worse, would I get nothing at all and just be another AFC at the party?
To my surprise, no one was going crazy. Every guy there was 'normal'. People were just chatting and getting to know each other. I didn't see any hard escalation or makeouts. I began introducing myself to the guys first... to see if they'd try to 'frame' battle me in the first few seconds like some PUAs do. Didn't happen... much.. actually for the most part the guys were cool. We vibed pretty well. The only times I did run into 'frame battles' were from a couple CC members. One guy (who shall remain nameless to protect the innocent) tried to use frames on me to see what level I was at... and then spent time trying to explain game concepts to a girl who didn't care and felt weirded out by. (She ended up thinking I was 'adorable', giving me her number and Facebook and the other guy saw it.. I'll explain why I think it happened below).
Next up, I gained courage and talked to the girls. They were really nice too. I didn't really get 'shit tested' or if I did, it must have gone right through me because I just felt really relaxed and able to match wit for wit without much thinking. I got two numbers in my first few approaches - one from a blonde chick and one from a married chick. They thought I was really cool. Again I wasn't trying to game them.. I was just being cool and friendly. So the result was they genuinely wanted to hang out with me again sometime.
Another lady, kind of older, from South America, actually tried to 'game' me and some friends of Omega. It was weird.. all night I joked she was my cousin, because her name was the same as my real cousin's. But I kept pushing her 'away' as not really being interested in her. I think the other guys with me fed off my vibe and did the same. She offered to cook for us, and of course I thought that was awesome.. but we didn't really ask for the close or a day2. I think she thought it was super odd, so she handed out her business cards and put her number in my cell phone. She wanted to take us home to eat asap. Wow..
For my part, I kept moving around and talking. I was pretty ADD actually... I didn't really hang with any set too long, and if I did, I would mentally tell myself.. alright time to meet new person; the point is to socialize! And off I'd go. I must have got like 15 new Facebook friends, 6 or 7 numbers and definitely seen as one of the cool guys at the party.
Thoughts
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That night was another big learning night for me... it made me pull myself to the side and think wow.. wtf is going on here? I remembered reading RSD stuff and how Tyler talked about how you can just be 'cool' and 'vibe' with others..
It made me think.. you don't necessarily have to 'game' people and frame battle them all the time to try to 'win' something... especially with a girl .. try to 'win' her number or her 'heart'.
The other nights when I was 'alpha/direct', I might get a girl's interest right away. But then continuing to act 'alpha', I felt my value lowering every minute. Instead of being 'interesting', I became sorta this weird guy treating everything as some sort of a 'contest'.. I'd have to think about what to say next to match her shit test, and act more 'alpha' than her. Design, you hit it on the money when you said I was probably being 'cocky' and not 'funny'.
Plus, when I became more aggressive in kino, there'd be a sense of desperation in it... like I was kinoing her more because I was probably going to blow out any second.
But when I was indirect at the social party, I didn't run into any of these problems. People sincerely wanted to hang with me again. I was kinoing, but it was more like 'appropriate' for the venue.. not a 'race to the finish line' if you will. Attraction was still there, and instead of it being quick like a flame in 'direct' style, it was more like a steady burn. With the girl who gave me her number and said I was adorable, all I did was be interesting and easy to talk to. I think in the other guy's case.. he weirded her out because he tried too hard to be alpha and convince her that game works and turned it into an unneccessary frame battle contest.
So what does this all mean? Should I be more indirect, and fuck being direct? No I don't think that's the case..
I do want to get laid as often as I can... and in the community, direct is seen as the best way to do so. Blow me or blow me out.. that's in my signature and my coach's philosophy. From this style I get a ton of no's but when I get a yes, it's like right there and waiting.. close me now!! I get more 'closing' experience as a result.
But I miss all the other 'potentials' I could have gotten by being indirect. So I think it just depends... on the nights when I want it hard and fast, and I have no risk to myself.. like my reputation with other guys who invited me isn't on the line.. I can be direct. When I am at a social party where people are more relaxed.. indirect is the way to go.. because I can always move the 'target' to a more appropriate venue and close. And in the end, using both styles have advantages.. with indirect you learn to relax and vibe with others... so people don't always feel stressed out and threatened by you. People can relax, and being able to relax others is attractive in its own ways. Alphaness is always going to be hot.. but it should be calibrated.
In any case, I'm glad I went out last week and practiced different styles.. I feel like my calibration has improved and I'm on my way to getting more lays all around.
- Cloud
The three of us went to Santa Monica near the Playa Vista area... man I love that area. That's where I used to work.. EA Games. (I was a video game tester in my past life). The setting was beautiful, near the beach and all the restaurants had a cozy nightlife feel to them. The party was at a place called 'World Cafe' and when we went inside there were already tons of beautiful people hanging out together. We quickly met with Charm and thanked him for the invite, then we began introducing ourselves to everyone else.
I noticed there were a ton of alpha looking guys in the room. Omega told me that many of the guys who show up to these parties are the cream of the crop in terms of Pickup, therefore they bring the hottest women to mingle together... for the purpose of meeting other hot women.
I felt a bit intimidated and thought to myself.. ("Hell can I even compete? I can be alpha and direct and all.. but I'd probably fuck up..given the last few nights at Hollywood and in the IE. I'm not anywhere close to being 'cream of the crop'...and also this is Charm's party.. he allowed me to come check it out.. and if I fuck it up, it would be like I would be telling him a big FUCK YOU dude".)
I still wanted to at least try to practice, but I didn't really know what I could do or not do. So I decided to kick back, watch what other guys were doing and see what was 'socially appropriate'. None of the guys were going crazy or escalating on chicks. I was a little worried... some big name CC guys were in the room .. I wondered if they would be hardcore closers having sex on the couch like in all these FRs I read about...Would I get left with scraps? Worse, would I get nothing at all and just be another AFC at the party?
To my surprise, no one was going crazy. Every guy there was 'normal'. People were just chatting and getting to know each other. I didn't see any hard escalation or makeouts. I began introducing myself to the guys first... to see if they'd try to 'frame' battle me in the first few seconds like some PUAs do. Didn't happen... much.. actually for the most part the guys were cool. We vibed pretty well. The only times I did run into 'frame battles' were from a couple CC members. One guy (who shall remain nameless to protect the innocent) tried to use frames on me to see what level I was at... and then spent time trying to explain game concepts to a girl who didn't care and felt weirded out by. (She ended up thinking I was 'adorable', giving me her number and Facebook and the other guy saw it.. I'll explain why I think it happened below).
Next up, I gained courage and talked to the girls. They were really nice too. I didn't really get 'shit tested' or if I did, it must have gone right through me because I just felt really relaxed and able to match wit for wit without much thinking. I got two numbers in my first few approaches - one from a blonde chick and one from a married chick. They thought I was really cool. Again I wasn't trying to game them.. I was just being cool and friendly. So the result was they genuinely wanted to hang out with me again sometime.
Another lady, kind of older, from South America, actually tried to 'game' me and some friends of Omega. It was weird.. all night I joked she was my cousin, because her name was the same as my real cousin's. But I kept pushing her 'away' as not really being interested in her. I think the other guys with me fed off my vibe and did the same. She offered to cook for us, and of course I thought that was awesome.. but we didn't really ask for the close or a day2. I think she thought it was super odd, so she handed out her business cards and put her number in my cell phone. She wanted to take us home to eat asap. Wow..
For my part, I kept moving around and talking. I was pretty ADD actually... I didn't really hang with any set too long, and if I did, I would mentally tell myself.. alright time to meet new person; the point is to socialize! And off I'd go. I must have got like 15 new Facebook friends, 6 or 7 numbers and definitely seen as one of the cool guys at the party.
Thoughts
========
That night was another big learning night for me... it made me pull myself to the side and think wow.. wtf is going on here? I remembered reading RSD stuff and how Tyler talked about how you can just be 'cool' and 'vibe' with others..
It made me think.. you don't necessarily have to 'game' people and frame battle them all the time to try to 'win' something... especially with a girl .. try to 'win' her number or her 'heart'.
The other nights when I was 'alpha/direct', I might get a girl's interest right away. But then continuing to act 'alpha', I felt my value lowering every minute. Instead of being 'interesting', I became sorta this weird guy treating everything as some sort of a 'contest'.. I'd have to think about what to say next to match her shit test, and act more 'alpha' than her. Design, you hit it on the money when you said I was probably being 'cocky' and not 'funny'.
Plus, when I became more aggressive in kino, there'd be a sense of desperation in it... like I was kinoing her more because I was probably going to blow out any second.
But when I was indirect at the social party, I didn't run into any of these problems. People sincerely wanted to hang with me again. I was kinoing, but it was more like 'appropriate' for the venue.. not a 'race to the finish line' if you will. Attraction was still there, and instead of it being quick like a flame in 'direct' style, it was more like a steady burn. With the girl who gave me her number and said I was adorable, all I did was be interesting and easy to talk to. I think in the other guy's case.. he weirded her out because he tried too hard to be alpha and convince her that game works and turned it into an unneccessary frame battle contest.
So what does this all mean? Should I be more indirect, and fuck being direct? No I don't think that's the case..
I do want to get laid as often as I can... and in the community, direct is seen as the best way to do so. Blow me or blow me out.. that's in my signature and my coach's philosophy. From this style I get a ton of no's but when I get a yes, it's like right there and waiting.. close me now!! I get more 'closing' experience as a result.
But I miss all the other 'potentials' I could have gotten by being indirect. So I think it just depends... on the nights when I want it hard and fast, and I have no risk to myself.. like my reputation with other guys who invited me isn't on the line.. I can be direct. When I am at a social party where people are more relaxed.. indirect is the way to go.. because I can always move the 'target' to a more appropriate venue and close. And in the end, using both styles have advantages.. with indirect you learn to relax and vibe with others... so people don't always feel stressed out and threatened by you. People can relax, and being able to relax others is attractive in its own ways. Alphaness is always going to be hot.. but it should be calibrated.
In any case, I'm glad I went out last week and practiced different styles.. I feel like my calibration has improved and I'm on my way to getting more lays all around.
- Cloud
Mental Notes to Myself 3-23-10
AA is your calling.
Open direct.. Hey I thought you were adorable..(Arm around shoulder or handshake) I'm Cloud, and you are? Use mnemonic to remember her name.. if Ashley (oh like Ashley Jo Johnston)... if Noriko... I'm gonna call you 'Nori-chan'.
Roleplay - looking for a wife, but you gotta qualify her. Reward with stories & kino, push away for IODs - if she IODs, ignore and storytell (persist part) - do some harder DHV stuff (magic, palm reading), then IOD her - do like a false takeaway.
Move to next set.. work it.
Come back, extract girl to D-Floor or corner.. vibe & go for k-close if she's beta, if she's alpha, make out. Each point, push away.. that's all you get, but if she's genuinely attracted # close. D2. or if logistics are possible snl. work the logistics too.. if she wants to find her friends first, go help her do that. then pull her back.
Work sets you blew out of by re-opening, storytelling, and IODing. Keep push-push-pushing her away while you slowly build up value until she's so attracted you kiss her. Then push away.
Open direct.. Hey I thought you were adorable..(Arm around shoulder or handshake) I'm Cloud, and you are? Use mnemonic to remember her name.. if Ashley (oh like Ashley Jo Johnston)... if Noriko... I'm gonna call you 'Nori-chan'.
Roleplay - looking for a wife, but you gotta qualify her. Reward with stories & kino, push away for IODs - if she IODs, ignore and storytell (persist part) - do some harder DHV stuff (magic, palm reading), then IOD her - do like a false takeaway.
Move to next set.. work it.
Come back, extract girl to D-Floor or corner.. vibe & go for k-close if she's beta, if she's alpha, make out. Each point, push away.. that's all you get, but if she's genuinely attracted # close. D2. or if logistics are possible snl. work the logistics too.. if she wants to find her friends first, go help her do that. then pull her back.
Work sets you blew out of by re-opening, storytelling, and IODing. Keep push-push-pushing her away while you slowly build up value until she's so attracted you kiss her. Then push away.
Sunday, March 21, 2010
FR - Cloud vs Margarita Beach SB & Sakura Bar WEHO 3-20-10
Been pushing myself to get out, stay out and open lots of girls. I think I talked to about 40 sets between the two nights. So about 20 girls each night. The hard part is it's all been really fast. Lots of blowouts.
Why? I've been super direct in my approach. I pull girls, stop them in their tracks, sometimes arm around shoulder, face in their face - "Hey I thought you were adorable. I had to meet you. My name is Cloud".
The "my name is Cloud" works pretty well. I put my hand out and most often, always I get a handshake and a name. I love that part. But FUCK, I forget the name quick..lol. I need to do some name mnemonics to remember.
Right after, I'll go into roleplay, and I think this is where most of my sets blowout. I'll say I need a girlfriend for the next 5 min, and start trying to qualify her. "Are you smart?" "What's the capital of Washington DC?" I think I need to do more peppering of questions though because I sorta tend to wait for them to answer... even if the question is super ridiculous like the aforementioned. I remember asking "What's 2+2?" and a girl getting super offended. She dragged her friend away at that point. Another girl at the Sakura Bar - which was smokin' by the way... so many hot Japanese girls, got really pissed when she told me she went to USC - wow HUGE ego.
I'd say for the most part of the time, maybe 60%, the reaction for going direct is "Oh.. hahaha..(then the girl looks away)". They squirm a lot, especially when I kino. 20% of the time, I'll get an angry reaction... the girls will ignore me or tell me they are lesbians. Some girls will walk away. That happens a lot actually.. I don't get much investment from negative sets. The other 20% is kinda divided.. sometimes the girl won't know what I just said, so I'll have to repeat myself, or the set will blow up because of outside interference... people walking inbetween us, other people coming in randomly...
Margarita Beach is in SB was pretty ghetto as far as crowds go. Flex came out with me to game... love Flex man.. he has never read any PU stuff, just a pure natural who goes out a lot. He pushes me even in my chodiest moments to go out and for that I'm thankful. Plus he has a ton of hookups like a social guy should.. he gets invited to tons of house parties. His philosophy is simple - "meet people, get numbers, work em quickly". Anyway so we split up and ran the bar.
My best set was this 2 set of white chicks. Some HUGE AMOG guy opened me while I was running around, and asked me if I had a light. I didn't, but we talked for a sec about the 2 set of girls. Despite being so huge, he couldn't get courage to talk to them. I told him to try, but he couldn't... so I did it for him. I went in hardcore direct and it hooked super well. His target was super attracted to me. I pulled in AMOG guy who nearly shit his pants.. he couldn't believe I pulled it off. I introduced him to the set and he started vibing well. The white chick was still into me and I almost made out with her, but I backed off... (her lips came like almost an inch between mine, but I had to playfully push her off) because I knew the AMOG guy wanted her.
So I let him talk to her and jumped out set -- I also wanted to practice more (and this was like one of my early warm up sets). That guy blew it though, he didn't even get a number despite such a strong opener and my social proofing him... and that girl kept looking at me all night. She was a bit pissed at me though for leaving set, and tried to make me jealous by being all over some black dude later on. Meanwhile AMOG dude tried to make me his best new friend... he introduced me to all his big AMOG friends.
Well cool.. social proof now at that bar. Haha. Flex opened a set later on in the night, and I got indirectly introduced to another girl. Flex wasn't gaming her, so I took her number. She was more into Flex though because he was 'pushing her away' which is something I need to incorporate more in my game. I feel like I'm coming off needy still which is something I need to calibrate downwards despite being aggressive in kino. I need to do more pushing in push/pull! Anyway this girl, HBLatina, lives in Riverside, so we vibed on that and she's down to hang out with me again... possible D2.
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On Saturday, went to Sakura Bar in West Hollywood. Damn that place is fucking nice... it looks like an old school traditional Japanese house with a full fledged bar inside, 3 floors, and full dining area. They were handing out free ramen, Japanese desserts, sushi, and sake. It was super cool. Omega got us in for a discounted price.. awesome dude. He knows I speak Japanese, so that's always a huge advantage for places like this.. I vibe really well with the J-crowd.
We opened some sets together at first, met this really cute J-girl on the 3rd floor who I got to come around with us to eat and dance a bit. But she wasn't into me so much as Omega. I guess I was still coming off needy in my kino. I kino'd too much trying to 'pull' her. Omega didn't want her either.. but it was because of the language barrier... he couldn't speak Japanese which was all this girl knew -- she was only visiting for a week in the states. Around that time, I met some people from my Japanese meetup group in LA... they gave me some major social proof including a movie director and a guy from Sony. That helped me at least get the girl to the dance floor as well as her e-mail. But it went down fast... I was unsuccessful in getting her to dance with me. Each time I put my hand on her hands, she resisted. So I'd back off and just tell her to dance the same way I was.. but even that she resisted. I tried to tease her a bit that we were on a dance floor and she wasn't dancing.. but it went through her. She didn't even hear me. She just stood there on the dance floor looking at the DJ. Fuck. I decided to let her go. She told me she wanted to find her friends, and that was it.
Ah well, it was a warmup set.. our first set of the night. I felt a bit winded... and for a few minutes out of focus. Omega saw me feeling down and mentally talked me out of being a chode. PRACTICE DUDE. Don't care. Alright, let's go! So I went full direct on a bunch of girls thereafter.. and the reaction was pretty lame. Like I said earlier, I'd get to the roleplay part... and girls would walk away. So I calibrated downwards, tried to be a bit more beta.
It helped, but I felt I was going into friend zone fast. I went for number closes but girls would say stuff like "Dame!" (which in Japanese means... no not yet!). They'd laugh about it and then I'd keep talking, but I'd still get into that resistance wall, which I'd just eject, and come back to later.
Ran into my meetup group friends again and introduced them to Omega. We all choded around for a bit, talked about other parties and how bad we got rejected by girls tonight. Apparently my director friend tried to dance with a girl on the dance floor and her AMOG boyfriend came from nowhere and wanted to fight him. It looked really ugly.. but he managed to escape. We pushed each other for the remainder of the night to open... but we all got rejected tons. I told one target that I cheated on her and I liked some other girl.. but it went right through her. She acted like she wanted me to cheat on her... hahaha. What a horrible set.
My director friend told me that I had a 'look' like I was on the 'hunt'.. or 'starving'. FUCK maybe that was it. I need to tone that down.. haha.. it's that needy projection. I bet girls just sense it and don't want to talk to me.
At the end of the night we tried to pull girls going home, but super unsuccessful.. my 'da me' girls ALMOST gave me an e-mail, but they got distracted and went off. I pulled them back into set with me...and kept saying "I'll be sad..if you leave...". That kept her laughing and staying... I was sooo close... she almost gave me her number but I forgot her name. And that killed it... she wouldn't shut up about that and her friend dragged her away. LOL... night of nothing..... Ah well we guys made a resolution to go to K-town later this week and hit it up. Also going to one more party tonite with Omegaman.
Things to work on
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- Staying true to intent without projecting neediness. Need to come up with some solid qualification game including in my kino..so I don't give off vibe that I'm sex-starved; rather prize to be won. Also don't want my qualification game to sound cheesy.. need better fun stuff. Also push girls away... 'that's all you get..'. Gotta keep saying that...
- Being 100% confident.. sometimes I wasn't.. and that also showed my neediness. I would half-heartedly open expecting a blowout and boom I'd get a blowout. Gotta somehow push though that.
- Move girls.. and go for close even if it sucks. Maybe with that one J-girl that I tried to dance floor, I should have made her stop what she was doing using command tone, close her eyes, then kiss her. That would have been funny even if I got blown out. I think I'll do it next time. At least I'll get a kiss, and if not, she can always be more attracted to me! :)
- Remember girls' names. I need to make a nickname up on the fly for these girls when I meet them.. otherwise I'm going to forget... when you open tons of sets... you meet so many 'Sakuras, Atsumis, Akikos, Natsukos' etc. Easy to forget...haha.
- Cloud
Why? I've been super direct in my approach. I pull girls, stop them in their tracks, sometimes arm around shoulder, face in their face - "Hey I thought you were adorable. I had to meet you. My name is Cloud".
The "my name is Cloud" works pretty well. I put my hand out and most often, always I get a handshake and a name. I love that part. But FUCK, I forget the name quick..lol. I need to do some name mnemonics to remember.
Right after, I'll go into roleplay, and I think this is where most of my sets blowout. I'll say I need a girlfriend for the next 5 min, and start trying to qualify her. "Are you smart?" "What's the capital of Washington DC?" I think I need to do more peppering of questions though because I sorta tend to wait for them to answer... even if the question is super ridiculous like the aforementioned. I remember asking "What's 2+2?" and a girl getting super offended. She dragged her friend away at that point. Another girl at the Sakura Bar - which was smokin' by the way... so many hot Japanese girls, got really pissed when she told me she went to USC - wow HUGE ego.
I'd say for the most part of the time, maybe 60%, the reaction for going direct is "Oh.. hahaha..(then the girl looks away)". They squirm a lot, especially when I kino. 20% of the time, I'll get an angry reaction... the girls will ignore me or tell me they are lesbians. Some girls will walk away. That happens a lot actually.. I don't get much investment from negative sets. The other 20% is kinda divided.. sometimes the girl won't know what I just said, so I'll have to repeat myself, or the set will blow up because of outside interference... people walking inbetween us, other people coming in randomly...
Margarita Beach is in SB was pretty ghetto as far as crowds go. Flex came out with me to game... love Flex man.. he has never read any PU stuff, just a pure natural who goes out a lot. He pushes me even in my chodiest moments to go out and for that I'm thankful. Plus he has a ton of hookups like a social guy should.. he gets invited to tons of house parties. His philosophy is simple - "meet people, get numbers, work em quickly". Anyway so we split up and ran the bar.
My best set was this 2 set of white chicks. Some HUGE AMOG guy opened me while I was running around, and asked me if I had a light. I didn't, but we talked for a sec about the 2 set of girls. Despite being so huge, he couldn't get courage to talk to them. I told him to try, but he couldn't... so I did it for him. I went in hardcore direct and it hooked super well. His target was super attracted to me. I pulled in AMOG guy who nearly shit his pants.. he couldn't believe I pulled it off. I introduced him to the set and he started vibing well. The white chick was still into me and I almost made out with her, but I backed off... (her lips came like almost an inch between mine, but I had to playfully push her off) because I knew the AMOG guy wanted her.
So I let him talk to her and jumped out set -- I also wanted to practice more (and this was like one of my early warm up sets). That guy blew it though, he didn't even get a number despite such a strong opener and my social proofing him... and that girl kept looking at me all night. She was a bit pissed at me though for leaving set, and tried to make me jealous by being all over some black dude later on. Meanwhile AMOG dude tried to make me his best new friend... he introduced me to all his big AMOG friends.
Well cool.. social proof now at that bar. Haha. Flex opened a set later on in the night, and I got indirectly introduced to another girl. Flex wasn't gaming her, so I took her number. She was more into Flex though because he was 'pushing her away' which is something I need to incorporate more in my game. I feel like I'm coming off needy still which is something I need to calibrate downwards despite being aggressive in kino. I need to do more pushing in push/pull! Anyway this girl, HBLatina, lives in Riverside, so we vibed on that and she's down to hang out with me again... possible D2.
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On Saturday, went to Sakura Bar in West Hollywood. Damn that place is fucking nice... it looks like an old school traditional Japanese house with a full fledged bar inside, 3 floors, and full dining area. They were handing out free ramen, Japanese desserts, sushi, and sake. It was super cool. Omega got us in for a discounted price.. awesome dude. He knows I speak Japanese, so that's always a huge advantage for places like this.. I vibe really well with the J-crowd.
We opened some sets together at first, met this really cute J-girl on the 3rd floor who I got to come around with us to eat and dance a bit. But she wasn't into me so much as Omega. I guess I was still coming off needy in my kino. I kino'd too much trying to 'pull' her. Omega didn't want her either.. but it was because of the language barrier... he couldn't speak Japanese which was all this girl knew -- she was only visiting for a week in the states. Around that time, I met some people from my Japanese meetup group in LA... they gave me some major social proof including a movie director and a guy from Sony. That helped me at least get the girl to the dance floor as well as her e-mail. But it went down fast... I was unsuccessful in getting her to dance with me. Each time I put my hand on her hands, she resisted. So I'd back off and just tell her to dance the same way I was.. but even that she resisted. I tried to tease her a bit that we were on a dance floor and she wasn't dancing.. but it went through her. She didn't even hear me. She just stood there on the dance floor looking at the DJ. Fuck. I decided to let her go. She told me she wanted to find her friends, and that was it.
Ah well, it was a warmup set.. our first set of the night. I felt a bit winded... and for a few minutes out of focus. Omega saw me feeling down and mentally talked me out of being a chode. PRACTICE DUDE. Don't care. Alright, let's go! So I went full direct on a bunch of girls thereafter.. and the reaction was pretty lame. Like I said earlier, I'd get to the roleplay part... and girls would walk away. So I calibrated downwards, tried to be a bit more beta.
It helped, but I felt I was going into friend zone fast. I went for number closes but girls would say stuff like "Dame!" (which in Japanese means... no not yet!). They'd laugh about it and then I'd keep talking, but I'd still get into that resistance wall, which I'd just eject, and come back to later.
Ran into my meetup group friends again and introduced them to Omega. We all choded around for a bit, talked about other parties and how bad we got rejected by girls tonight. Apparently my director friend tried to dance with a girl on the dance floor and her AMOG boyfriend came from nowhere and wanted to fight him. It looked really ugly.. but he managed to escape. We pushed each other for the remainder of the night to open... but we all got rejected tons. I told one target that I cheated on her and I liked some other girl.. but it went right through her. She acted like she wanted me to cheat on her... hahaha. What a horrible set.
My director friend told me that I had a 'look' like I was on the 'hunt'.. or 'starving'. FUCK maybe that was it. I need to tone that down.. haha.. it's that needy projection. I bet girls just sense it and don't want to talk to me.
At the end of the night we tried to pull girls going home, but super unsuccessful.. my 'da me' girls ALMOST gave me an e-mail, but they got distracted and went off. I pulled them back into set with me...and kept saying "I'll be sad..if you leave...". That kept her laughing and staying... I was sooo close... she almost gave me her number but I forgot her name. And that killed it... she wouldn't shut up about that and her friend dragged her away. LOL... night of nothing..... Ah well we guys made a resolution to go to K-town later this week and hit it up. Also going to one more party tonite with Omegaman.
Things to work on
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- Staying true to intent without projecting neediness. Need to come up with some solid qualification game including in my kino..so I don't give off vibe that I'm sex-starved; rather prize to be won. Also don't want my qualification game to sound cheesy.. need better fun stuff. Also push girls away... 'that's all you get..'. Gotta keep saying that...
- Being 100% confident.. sometimes I wasn't.. and that also showed my neediness. I would half-heartedly open expecting a blowout and boom I'd get a blowout. Gotta somehow push though that.
- Move girls.. and go for close even if it sucks. Maybe with that one J-girl that I tried to dance floor, I should have made her stop what she was doing using command tone, close her eyes, then kiss her. That would have been funny even if I got blown out. I think I'll do it next time. At least I'll get a kiss, and if not, she can always be more attracted to me! :)
- Remember girls' names. I need to make a nickname up on the fly for these girls when I meet them.. otherwise I'm going to forget... when you open tons of sets... you meet so many 'Sakuras, Atsumis, Akikos, Natsukos' etc. Easy to forget...haha.
- Cloud
Wednesday, March 17, 2010
More K-Closin' Stuff
Hmm I'm surprised that India had Sanskrit texts that documented the effects of kissing on young maidens... I feel compelled now to know what else my ancestors wanted to pass on to future generations...
Putting Women On A Pedestal (from Inner Game Frame by Alex)
Thought this was a pretty good read... we all talk about finding a 'perfect' girl... but maybe this attitude is what makes us chody and unable to game her when we meet her... we inadvertenly put those 'HB9s or 10s' on pedestals and as a result of doing so... we lose the girl... check out what the author below had to say..
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The beginning stages of a relationship are euphoric and will also set the tone to determine whether it will be a successful one or not. For the first couple of weeks things are absolutely amazing, the sun shines, the earth moves and the whole world smiles with you. But generally this is a time when most people get lazy and don't do what needs to be done to establish a good relationship and things can quickly turn sour.
For the first week or two the relationship will be magical. The girl will seem perfect but this perfect state is fleeting. People(especially women) are great at hiding their issues, insecurities and pain bodies during this beginning stage. Like everything else hidden, its only a matter of time before it rises to the surface.
*note for the women reading this. This is also true for women holding onto the perfect image of a man they are dating but since most of my readers are men Ill stick to that dynamic.
The first mistake we tend to make in the beginning of the relationship is holding onto this perfect image of the girl you are dating. The first two weeks are so amazing that we tend to gloss over the dark stuff and create our own blind spots. We consciously or unconsciously put the girl up on a pedestal.
We become attached to this perfect girl image because of how accustomed to bad relationships we are. We tend to think that she is somehow different and won't need to be taught about her insecurities, push past her fears and all the other stuff to make a relationship work. This is just a backwards rationalization for us wanting her to be perfect.
When you create an image of someone in your mind and become attached to it, we tend to see only that image and ignore the rest. If I told you to see everything red in the room, you would only focus on the red. The same goes with your image of a perfect girl. You see only what you want to in her.
Thinking you have found the perfect girl adds to the egos dramatic story that it creates around life. There is a yearning in the ego that wants to feel special or different from the rest of the sheep world. Believing that you have found someone different that doesn't require much training in the area of insecurities, fears and doubts makes you feel "special" in a way. It boosts the ego. This can be very hard to let go of and over time becomes an addiction. This leads to ignoring some "bad" stuff and being honest about who she is and who you are.
When you ignore the bad stuff you end up paying for it in the end. When a person gets into the sexual polarity lifestyle and learns to lead a woman and be the man she wants, the ego tends to have its doubts. Even if you are learning to lead her and do all the right things in the relationship, your ego still doesn't want it to be this way and thinks all of this stuff that you are learning is just a bunch of bs.
The ego knows on some level that getting relationship mastery by learning polarity, leading and all the other stuff that makes women attracted to you will make you happier. Happy is the last place the ego wants you. It wants you to be comfortably numb because pain is how it gets fed. The ego has only one concern, survival and it survives through pain.
When you hold onto the image of a perfect woman in your relationship, you ignore the bad stuff and not do your job properly as a man. This will cause your relationship to suck, which in turn causes more pain. That means more food (pain) for the ego. Your ego wants nothing more than for you to hold onto this image of a perfect woman.
I'm going to break that image for you...she's not perfect and neither are you. The only thing that matters is if you are perfect for each other. ALL women need to be helped with their insecurities and other issues-no one is special. She will have flaws and dark spots just like the rest of us, ignoring them will not help either of you. It will actually hinder the growth of the relationship.
-Alex
Original Source: http://ezinearticles.com/?Putting-Women-On-A-Pedestal&id=1188094
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The beginning stages of a relationship are euphoric and will also set the tone to determine whether it will be a successful one or not. For the first couple of weeks things are absolutely amazing, the sun shines, the earth moves and the whole world smiles with you. But generally this is a time when most people get lazy and don't do what needs to be done to establish a good relationship and things can quickly turn sour.
For the first week or two the relationship will be magical. The girl will seem perfect but this perfect state is fleeting. People(especially women) are great at hiding their issues, insecurities and pain bodies during this beginning stage. Like everything else hidden, its only a matter of time before it rises to the surface.
*note for the women reading this. This is also true for women holding onto the perfect image of a man they are dating but since most of my readers are men Ill stick to that dynamic.
The first mistake we tend to make in the beginning of the relationship is holding onto this perfect image of the girl you are dating. The first two weeks are so amazing that we tend to gloss over the dark stuff and create our own blind spots. We consciously or unconsciously put the girl up on a pedestal.
We become attached to this perfect girl image because of how accustomed to bad relationships we are. We tend to think that she is somehow different and won't need to be taught about her insecurities, push past her fears and all the other stuff to make a relationship work. This is just a backwards rationalization for us wanting her to be perfect.
When you create an image of someone in your mind and become attached to it, we tend to see only that image and ignore the rest. If I told you to see everything red in the room, you would only focus on the red. The same goes with your image of a perfect girl. You see only what you want to in her.
Thinking you have found the perfect girl adds to the egos dramatic story that it creates around life. There is a yearning in the ego that wants to feel special or different from the rest of the sheep world. Believing that you have found someone different that doesn't require much training in the area of insecurities, fears and doubts makes you feel "special" in a way. It boosts the ego. This can be very hard to let go of and over time becomes an addiction. This leads to ignoring some "bad" stuff and being honest about who she is and who you are.
When you ignore the bad stuff you end up paying for it in the end. When a person gets into the sexual polarity lifestyle and learns to lead a woman and be the man she wants, the ego tends to have its doubts. Even if you are learning to lead her and do all the right things in the relationship, your ego still doesn't want it to be this way and thinks all of this stuff that you are learning is just a bunch of bs.
The ego knows on some level that getting relationship mastery by learning polarity, leading and all the other stuff that makes women attracted to you will make you happier. Happy is the last place the ego wants you. It wants you to be comfortably numb because pain is how it gets fed. The ego has only one concern, survival and it survives through pain.
When you hold onto the image of a perfect woman in your relationship, you ignore the bad stuff and not do your job properly as a man. This will cause your relationship to suck, which in turn causes more pain. That means more food (pain) for the ego. Your ego wants nothing more than for you to hold onto this image of a perfect woman.
I'm going to break that image for you...she's not perfect and neither are you. The only thing that matters is if you are perfect for each other. ALL women need to be helped with their insecurities and other issues-no one is special. She will have flaws and dark spots just like the rest of us, ignoring them will not help either of you. It will actually hinder the growth of the relationship.
-Alex
Original Source: http://ezinearticles.com/?Putting-Women-On-A-Pedestal&id=1188094
Monday, March 15, 2010
Sarge Schedule 3-15-10
// Note during boring daytime hours, can practice online game and/or read PU material. Can also read material for workout, social media, networking, organizing week calendar, finding cool venues, networking events and opportunities, etc. Boring time in the day equals time to organize everything - FRs, life, interests, networking etc.
// The schedule below represents what I'm doing at night between hours of 5:30PM - 12AM. Debrief days are Tuesday and Sunday if you want to meet up with me, talk about game issues. I'll be at Canyon Crest Towne Center on Tuesday night around 8:30PM and at my house on Sunday for debrief around 6-8PM. I'm good to sarge around after 9PM at night venues, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday & Friday. Most likely though I will be going to a house party on Thurs, and Social Gaming on Friday. If you are interested in meeting up contact me via e-mail and we'll figure it out, or give me a call if you know my number. Without further ado... the schedule.
Monday - Parent Day
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Hangout with folks, 'look busy'. Work on applications, resume, read, work on portfolio, and do cardio.
Not available to sarge.
Tuesday - Training Day
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Workout & cardio, take a class or hangout at Town Center/Starbucks around 7:30PM and work on portfolio, podcast, resume, reading. Can go out to sarge at Riverside Plaza Irish Pub (for night game) around 9:00 PM.
Wednesday - UCR Extension Center Day
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Workout & cardio, meet at Extension Center around 7:30PM, conversation partner, talk to girls, get #'s. If no one is available, go to UCR and day game. Instadate around UV or UCR, get #'s. Can go to Branding Iron after around 10pm.
Thursday - Party Day
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Workout & cardio, meetup and hangout at UCR Commons around 7:30PM, daygame & 'study'.
Party w/Flex or VSA, around 9 or 10PM.
Friday - LA or OC Day
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Meetup at my place by 7:30PM, or meet at LA or OC by 9:30PM (hang out with CC buds). Practice night game in venue over there. Sometimes though, I will not be able to make Friday - I may have a D2 or may be going to a house party in Riverside. If so, I'll announce and give the time to meet up.
Saturday - Just Be Social Day
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On Saturday, I'll be hanging out with my friends. I won't really think hard about gaming, rather just having a good time doing whatever. I just want to chill - play pool, maybe shop (and I may day game at LA Grove - which I'll post a time for if I do), and do other stuff - karaoke, go to K-town, whatever. Satuday is a case by case, there's always something to do; which I will just post my activities for the day here. Feel free to contact me any time of the day to know what's going down.
Sunday - Cleaning Day
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On Sunday, I'm cleaning my place as well as my mind. If you want to watch pickup material and debrief, meet around 5 or 6PM. I may also go out to LA to join Omega for Social Circle Game around 7PM.
// As always, things can change. I may have a Day2. Also on the weekends, I may have to go someplace with parents or someone's bday party comes up, or I go to Vegas/Japan, etc. In those cases, I'll post what's up in advance.
// I wrote this sarge schedule because I want to get as many numbers as I can and work them. We should be out a lot .. meeting girls as often as we can. If I'm not around to lead the sarge ... I hope you guys can still use the schedule above to and take the lead to go out yourselves.
- Cloud
// The schedule below represents what I'm doing at night between hours of 5:30PM - 12AM. Debrief days are Tuesday and Sunday if you want to meet up with me, talk about game issues. I'll be at Canyon Crest Towne Center on Tuesday night around 8:30PM and at my house on Sunday for debrief around 6-8PM. I'm good to sarge around after 9PM at night venues, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday & Friday. Most likely though I will be going to a house party on Thurs, and Social Gaming on Friday. If you are interested in meeting up contact me via e-mail and we'll figure it out, or give me a call if you know my number. Without further ado... the schedule.
Monday - Parent Day
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Hangout with folks, 'look busy'. Work on applications, resume, read, work on portfolio, and do cardio.
Not available to sarge.
Tuesday - Training Day
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Workout & cardio, take a class or hangout at Town Center/Starbucks around 7:30PM and work on portfolio, podcast, resume, reading. Can go out to sarge at Riverside Plaza Irish Pub (for night game) around 9:00 PM.
Wednesday - UCR Extension Center Day
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Workout & cardio, meet at Extension Center around 7:30PM, conversation partner, talk to girls, get #'s. If no one is available, go to UCR and day game. Instadate around UV or UCR, get #'s. Can go to Branding Iron after around 10pm.
Thursday - Party Day
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Workout & cardio, meetup and hangout at UCR Commons around 7:30PM, daygame & 'study'.
Party w/Flex or VSA, around 9 or 10PM.
Friday - LA or OC Day
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Meetup at my place by 7:30PM, or meet at LA or OC by 9:30PM (hang out with CC buds). Practice night game in venue over there. Sometimes though, I will not be able to make Friday - I may have a D2 or may be going to a house party in Riverside. If so, I'll announce and give the time to meet up.
Saturday - Just Be Social Day
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On Saturday, I'll be hanging out with my friends. I won't really think hard about gaming, rather just having a good time doing whatever. I just want to chill - play pool, maybe shop (and I may day game at LA Grove - which I'll post a time for if I do), and do other stuff - karaoke, go to K-town, whatever. Satuday is a case by case, there's always something to do; which I will just post my activities for the day here. Feel free to contact me any time of the day to know what's going down.
Sunday - Cleaning Day
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On Sunday, I'm cleaning my place as well as my mind. If you want to watch pickup material and debrief, meet around 5 or 6PM. I may also go out to LA to join Omega for Social Circle Game around 7PM.
// As always, things can change. I may have a Day2. Also on the weekends, I may have to go someplace with parents or someone's bday party comes up, or I go to Vegas/Japan, etc. In those cases, I'll post what's up in advance.
// I wrote this sarge schedule because I want to get as many numbers as I can and work them. We should be out a lot .. meeting girls as often as we can. If I'm not around to lead the sarge ... I hope you guys can still use the schedule above to and take the lead to go out yourselves.
- Cloud
Social Game Logistics (1st Meet) 3-15-10
You know you like your target and attraction is going well. Find out your logistics. Is she taken?
Are you in a social circle? If you're in a social circle, you'll have to be careful. If you piss off someone else you may get the girl but lose the group. Worse, if you fuck up with the girl, you lose the group. Make sure you bounce around a bit with the 'group' until they're comfortable with you. At same time just work attraction game.
If it's a a venue where you don't know anyone, don't worry so much... you can blow out without much risk.
In the social circle group, talk to her and keep your eye scanning the areas you're in as you guys move together. If you're near somewhere cool, say you want to show her something, and she should come with you. If she wants to bring a friend, abandon plan and say she can't see it. Let her try to get it out of you.. just talk about other stuff and then mention something else cool you wanna show her and
go again. (Note: This is the same for D2's. If she wants to bring a friend, flake. Then just text her more and try to build up more attraction, then suggest another D2... If she wants a friend no matter what, you prob should dump her. Or get them both out, game the friend instead and get your target jealous... until you isolate somewhere and makeout with her. Then invite her out for a D2 one on one, and this time tell her no friends. Work that day2 into a reality quickly.)
Tell her you'll bring her back in a sec, and take her to the isolation point. Show the 'nice' view or whatever, and k-close. Then hold her hand and tell her she's totally your type, turning you on. Then tell her that's all she gets.. you don't want to get into any 'trouble' tonight. Scan the area for more cool locations. Walk around a bit more, then k-close again; makeout if possible. Move. Rinse and repeat. The more you do, the more aggressive you are, but you also need to push her away and resist her... like she's the one seducing you and you've gotta be careful around her. As you're just doing the comfort routine, talk to her about logistics.. is she staying around for night, is she going home with friends (this way you can judge how much she wants it).
If you can't SNL, get her number, buy some ice cream or drink, whatever. Bring her back to her friends. Make a Day 2 plan, invite her out. Let everyone see you're holding hands when you come back.. so they know you guys have something going on... Be friendly to the friends too..
If you can pull, go back to the friends, tell the friends you and she are kinda into each other and are going to be at the place for a little longer, but you'll bring her over in a bit. Make sure they're cool too.. that's why you need to befriend them as well.
Try for her house first. Start off by asking her what's near her place; the area she's from. Go there in your car or by train (whatever). Continue being lovey dovey (love bubble). But hold off from escalating too hard or you'll lose her. Mention you are the master of making something delicious (ice cream sundae, chocolate covered strawberries, whatever). Go grocery shopping and suggest watching something for a bit at her place. You'll leave after that. More than likely she'll be okay with it, because you're not going to stay too long and girls like food. Sometimes she'll even bandwagon and say she'll make something awesome too.. so if that happens you are really good. Go over to her house, start cooking, make the stuff, then pop in the movie. If you're on the couch, go for the kiss, then makeout, then begin to escalate. Stop first, then eat some more and go again.. if you can take it to her room, go there. Finish.
If her house logistics suck, or you can't get in, after you pull from friends, drive or walk to a nice area that's private with food nearby. Mention checking out something real quick, get it on, close, then get food.
Be cool, and talk about her seductive powers on you, make it funny but also talk about where you're going in life. Suggest a Day2 on the way back, drop her off and figure it out through text.
Are you in a social circle? If you're in a social circle, you'll have to be careful. If you piss off someone else you may get the girl but lose the group. Worse, if you fuck up with the girl, you lose the group. Make sure you bounce around a bit with the 'group' until they're comfortable with you. At same time just work attraction game.
If it's a a venue where you don't know anyone, don't worry so much... you can blow out without much risk.
In the social circle group, talk to her and keep your eye scanning the areas you're in as you guys move together. If you're near somewhere cool, say you want to show her something, and she should come with you. If she wants to bring a friend, abandon plan and say she can't see it. Let her try to get it out of you.. just talk about other stuff and then mention something else cool you wanna show her and
go again. (Note: This is the same for D2's. If she wants to bring a friend, flake. Then just text her more and try to build up more attraction, then suggest another D2... If she wants a friend no matter what, you prob should dump her. Or get them both out, game the friend instead and get your target jealous... until you isolate somewhere and makeout with her. Then invite her out for a D2 one on one, and this time tell her no friends. Work that day2 into a reality quickly.)
Tell her you'll bring her back in a sec, and take her to the isolation point. Show the 'nice' view or whatever, and k-close. Then hold her hand and tell her she's totally your type, turning you on. Then tell her that's all she gets.. you don't want to get into any 'trouble' tonight. Scan the area for more cool locations. Walk around a bit more, then k-close again; makeout if possible. Move. Rinse and repeat. The more you do, the more aggressive you are, but you also need to push her away and resist her... like she's the one seducing you and you've gotta be careful around her. As you're just doing the comfort routine, talk to her about logistics.. is she staying around for night, is she going home with friends (this way you can judge how much she wants it).
If you can't SNL, get her number, buy some ice cream or drink, whatever. Bring her back to her friends. Make a Day 2 plan, invite her out. Let everyone see you're holding hands when you come back.. so they know you guys have something going on... Be friendly to the friends too..
If you can pull, go back to the friends, tell the friends you and she are kinda into each other and are going to be at the place for a little longer, but you'll bring her over in a bit. Make sure they're cool too.. that's why you need to befriend them as well.
Try for her house first. Start off by asking her what's near her place; the area she's from. Go there in your car or by train (whatever). Continue being lovey dovey (love bubble). But hold off from escalating too hard or you'll lose her. Mention you are the master of making something delicious (ice cream sundae, chocolate covered strawberries, whatever). Go grocery shopping and suggest watching something for a bit at her place. You'll leave after that. More than likely she'll be okay with it, because you're not going to stay too long and girls like food. Sometimes she'll even bandwagon and say she'll make something awesome too.. so if that happens you are really good. Go over to her house, start cooking, make the stuff, then pop in the movie. If you're on the couch, go for the kiss, then makeout, then begin to escalate. Stop first, then eat some more and go again.. if you can take it to her room, go there. Finish.
If her house logistics suck, or you can't get in, after you pull from friends, drive or walk to a nice area that's private with food nearby. Mention checking out something real quick, get it on, close, then get food.
Be cool, and talk about her seductive powers on you, make it funny but also talk about where you're going in life. Suggest a Day2 on the way back, drop her off and figure it out through text.
Day2-5 Plan (Long Distance)
// Wed, Thurs, Fri or Sat are my best days for D2s.
//I want to keep them kind of short and make focus on closing. Food should be light until after closed - instead of before. Work comfort stuff after.
Day 2 plan
==========
Typical D2 - meetup at a drink spot near their place. Get coffee/boba/soda. Whatever.
Decide if you like her or not. SOI a bit, build up attraction. Mention you want to show her your favorite place in the town you're in (research town beforehand or visit Yelp). Outdoor cozy malls are cool. Walk around then go for kiss close or makeout. Stop first, then pretend she's turning you on. Continue walking around. Pull to another place no one's around.. then start making out. Stop. (Be sure to research places where it's really easy to close - there's usually never anyone around). Continue making it seem like she's really turning you on.. but you're the one with self control.
If you have a hotel room, mention you want to show her the awesome view from your tower, then after get food at the restaurant. Go there, makeout, stop. Tell her she's turning you on more.. then walk a couple steps with her to your room, makeout every so often, keep talking dirty, then when u get into the room and near bed, makeout hard, finger bang, clothes come off, then close.
If you have no hotel room, but a car, mention you want to show her an awesome view from wherever, then will get food. Go there, close in car.
If you have no car, mention the awesome view from some private location near a great food place(call it something cool like the place with a glorious view ref. Tim).. and make out hard, a couple times, finger bang her and close. Then get food.
Finally, if you want to try to pull at her place... you need an excuse. If you can get into her place, you can save yourself the headache of getting a hotel room or trying to isolate in private spots each time you come. To do this, mention you make awesome chocolate strawberries, ice-cream sundaes or whatever. Go grocery shopping and get the food, if you can get a movie too, get that. Tell her you'll just be over for a bit. After making the food and sitting down, escalate until you can get her into bed.
Talk to her straight comfort, even get ice cream later and then send her off.
Day 3 Plan
===========
Meet up again at different place, if she tells you to pick her up from her house, do so. You may have to battle some buyer's remorse, but just text game and reframe to get her to come out. Make it sound like you have another 'interesting' plan for your 'date' ... you want to show something special.
Get something to drink again. Keep snacks lite. Show her another cool place in town, preferably private with a lookout. Pull her again for makeout. Move her around a bit while you makeout in several areas. Put her on something like a chair. Try to finger her to orgasm. Talk extremely dirty to her.. make it seem like she's seducing you and she's this ultra hot sexy goddess you just can't get away from.. You wanna frame her as the seductress so she starts associating the good times with 'her' seducing you... that's how you can take care of vulnerability - you're not coming off way too alpha.
Go get food. Then suggest enjoying at her place, if you already got in before. If not, then try to get in this time.. mention you really want to show off your margarita skills, go grab some groceries and a video, try again. If you can close, this time work it for several hours. Afterwards just enjoy the movie/food talk about fantasies. Tell her yours so she'll know for next time.
If you can't... then you're sorta screwed. Subsequent visits will just be in the car or private areas. $$$. If you don't mind, close in the car, or a private area, then see her off. Maybe you can try next time.. but it's doubtful. If she makes her mind up not to let you in the first two times, you may as well move on. She's not that invested.
Day 4 Plan
==========
Meet up at original place (rotate venues). Kiss her. Suggest going to somewhere 'exciting' (sexual like a sex shop or dirty section of video store). Suggest some dirty ideas in her head as you look around. Bounce to her place and get it on. If you can't... then you should try at the hotel you're staying at, if you have no house, try the car or the private area no one ever watches. Get it on for several hours.. but this time, let her enact out some of the fantasies you talked about in Day 3. You can get some investment that way.
Eat.
Go somewhere nice for dinner this time - KBBQ, Sushi, whatever. It's your way of rewarding her for being so invested. If there's a nightclub, you can dance and try to close her there on the dance floor for a bit (especially if it's dark). Bounce. Take her back home and just enjoy being with her. You can close if you want, but it would be better if you leave her wanting more and just focus on having a nice time with her.
Day 5 (continuous)
===================
Meet at her place. Close. Go to meet other people, have a fun day in whatever city you're in, spend money if she's really invested, or if not, just dump her at some point. Introduce her to friends, hang out, then take her back and close again using 'movie' or 'dinner' as an excuse.
// Note again, this is all taken from literature I read, observations I made from field, talking to best natural wing friends, combined with my experience and best game brain tactics to write this. I've been to a girl's house many times in the past.. and so I'm writing off that experience. She'll even let you in her room.. as long as she feels comfortable with you. You just need a good excuse.. but initially it's hard to get in if she's not invested in you. That's why the first few dates she won't let you in unless you're making her feel so good she has to bring you back. That's why escalate hard and make her crave you.
// As far as time... long distance relationships suck. The longer you take to see her, the more likely she'll find some other dude. Sex should be broken in quickly... otherwise you pretty much start all over again each time you see her... back at D2. The ideal would be to meet at her place for sex for subsequent day5s. But if you can't, she just becomes a fuck buddy, who you just meet once in a while to have sex with at a private location -- something to consider when you are considering whether to keep her around.
- Cloud
//I want to keep them kind of short and make focus on closing. Food should be light until after closed - instead of before. Work comfort stuff after.
Day 2 plan
==========
Typical D2 - meetup at a drink spot near their place. Get coffee/boba/soda. Whatever.
Decide if you like her or not. SOI a bit, build up attraction. Mention you want to show her your favorite place in the town you're in (research town beforehand or visit Yelp). Outdoor cozy malls are cool. Walk around then go for kiss close or makeout. Stop first, then pretend she's turning you on. Continue walking around. Pull to another place no one's around.. then start making out. Stop. (Be sure to research places where it's really easy to close - there's usually never anyone around). Continue making it seem like she's really turning you on.. but you're the one with self control.
If you have a hotel room, mention you want to show her the awesome view from your tower, then after get food at the restaurant. Go there, makeout, stop. Tell her she's turning you on more.. then walk a couple steps with her to your room, makeout every so often, keep talking dirty, then when u get into the room and near bed, makeout hard, finger bang, clothes come off, then close.
If you have no hotel room, but a car, mention you want to show her an awesome view from wherever, then will get food. Go there, close in car.
If you have no car, mention the awesome view from some private location near a great food place(call it something cool like the place with a glorious view ref. Tim).. and make out hard, a couple times, finger bang her and close. Then get food.
Finally, if you want to try to pull at her place... you need an excuse. If you can get into her place, you can save yourself the headache of getting a hotel room or trying to isolate in private spots each time you come. To do this, mention you make awesome chocolate strawberries, ice-cream sundaes or whatever. Go grocery shopping and get the food, if you can get a movie too, get that. Tell her you'll just be over for a bit. After making the food and sitting down, escalate until you can get her into bed.
Talk to her straight comfort, even get ice cream later and then send her off.
Day 3 Plan
===========
Meet up again at different place, if she tells you to pick her up from her house, do so. You may have to battle some buyer's remorse, but just text game and reframe to get her to come out. Make it sound like you have another 'interesting' plan for your 'date' ... you want to show something special.
Get something to drink again. Keep snacks lite. Show her another cool place in town, preferably private with a lookout. Pull her again for makeout. Move her around a bit while you makeout in several areas. Put her on something like a chair. Try to finger her to orgasm. Talk extremely dirty to her.. make it seem like she's seducing you and she's this ultra hot sexy goddess you just can't get away from.. You wanna frame her as the seductress so she starts associating the good times with 'her' seducing you... that's how you can take care of vulnerability - you're not coming off way too alpha.
Go get food. Then suggest enjoying at her place, if you already got in before. If not, then try to get in this time.. mention you really want to show off your margarita skills, go grab some groceries and a video, try again. If you can close, this time work it for several hours. Afterwards just enjoy the movie/food talk about fantasies. Tell her yours so she'll know for next time.
If you can't... then you're sorta screwed. Subsequent visits will just be in the car or private areas. $$$. If you don't mind, close in the car, or a private area, then see her off. Maybe you can try next time.. but it's doubtful. If she makes her mind up not to let you in the first two times, you may as well move on. She's not that invested.
Day 4 Plan
==========
Meet up at original place (rotate venues). Kiss her. Suggest going to somewhere 'exciting' (sexual like a sex shop or dirty section of video store). Suggest some dirty ideas in her head as you look around. Bounce to her place and get it on. If you can't... then you should try at the hotel you're staying at, if you have no house, try the car or the private area no one ever watches. Get it on for several hours.. but this time, let her enact out some of the fantasies you talked about in Day 3. You can get some investment that way.
Eat.
Go somewhere nice for dinner this time - KBBQ, Sushi, whatever. It's your way of rewarding her for being so invested. If there's a nightclub, you can dance and try to close her there on the dance floor for a bit (especially if it's dark). Bounce. Take her back home and just enjoy being with her. You can close if you want, but it would be better if you leave her wanting more and just focus on having a nice time with her.
Day 5 (continuous)
===================
Meet at her place. Close. Go to meet other people, have a fun day in whatever city you're in, spend money if she's really invested, or if not, just dump her at some point. Introduce her to friends, hang out, then take her back and close again using 'movie' or 'dinner' as an excuse.
// Note again, this is all taken from literature I read, observations I made from field, talking to best natural wing friends, combined with my experience and best game brain tactics to write this. I've been to a girl's house many times in the past.. and so I'm writing off that experience. She'll even let you in her room.. as long as she feels comfortable with you. You just need a good excuse.. but initially it's hard to get in if she's not invested in you. That's why the first few dates she won't let you in unless you're making her feel so good she has to bring you back. That's why escalate hard and make her crave you.
// As far as time... long distance relationships suck. The longer you take to see her, the more likely she'll find some other dude. Sex should be broken in quickly... otherwise you pretty much start all over again each time you see her... back at D2. The ideal would be to meet at her place for sex for subsequent day5s. But if you can't, she just becomes a fuck buddy, who you just meet once in a while to have sex with at a private location -- something to consider when you are considering whether to keep her around.
- Cloud
Day2-5 Plans (Local Version)
// Wed, Thurs, Fri or Sat are my best days for D2s.
//I want to keep them kind of short and make focus on closing. Food should be light until after closed - instead of before. Work comfort stuff after.
Day 2
======
Typical D2 - meetup at UV Starbucks, Borders, or Ext Center, talk for 15 min, get something to drink (offer to pay but if they don't want to, don't care)
Decide if you like her or not. SOI a bit, build up attraction. Mention you want to show her your favorite place in Riverside - The Towne Center. Walk around, role play, then pull for kiss near a private place (water fountain area). Stop. Suggest you're not sure about her yet... but you kinda think she's turning you on. Continue looking around, showing stuff, holding hands or arm in arm, talking random bs role play stuff then pull again for makeout. Makeout hard. Stop. Get ice cream at Rite Aid. Share.
Mention you are the master of sandwiches and go back to your place. Show her tour of your room, then makeout on bed. Handle LMR, but close.
Make sandwiches. Maybe play a board game in room... Monopoly.
Day 3 Plan
===========
Meet up again at different place (if u did Starbucks, meet at Ext Center, or meet at Borders)
Get something to drink then talk about another cool place to go to. Go to UCR mountain area - show view. Makeout a couple times, move around in that general area... put her on stuff, then start finger banging her... get her to cum a couple times. Talk extremely dirty to her.. make it seem like she's seducing you and she's this ultra hot sexy goddess you just can't get away from.. You wanna frame her as the seductress so she starts associating the good times with 'her' seducing you... that's how you can take care of vulnerability - you're not coming off way too alpha.
Get groceries or take out food, mention board games back at your place, then close again a few more times on the bed. Finish dinner... then send her home.
Day 4 Plan
==========
Meet up at original place (rotate venues). Kiss her. Suggest going to somewhere 'exciting'... then go to a sex shop or dirty video store. Get some fun stuff.. talk really dirty, look at stuff in store...then bounce to your place to check out the stuff you 'bought'...
Close again. Maybe for like several hours. After that go somewhere interesting for dinner this time - KBBQ, especially if you like her.
Day 5 (continuous)
===================
Meet at your place, close. Play around (in bed) then spoon and get to know other stuff about her. Get something to eat. Repeat Day 5 for a while then do Day 4. Dump her at some point if she's really lame, or keep her if she's really cool. If she's cool, throw in more 'investment' by giving her a few more Day 4's - mix up interesting dinner with interesting location - like Griffith Observatory/drive to LA or OC /meet friends/party with others/introduce to social circle/etc.
//NOTE: Based on all the literature I've read about PU plus observations I made in field, talking to best natural friends, my experience and best game brain working overtime... I think it takes about 4 days (from Day 2-5) for her to be 'broken' in to having sex with you. The first time, major Buyer's Remorse. But if you add that element of comfort and then aggressively go after it for Day 3, making her really 'come' like several times, she'll prob end up liking the experience. Day 4 will be sorta easy because she knows whats up, that's why you just have fun, then add in comfort of dinner... because she invested in a day 4 with you. Day 5, play and get to know about her - start qualifying her out and decide if you want to continue investing - you should know by Day 5 whether she's cool enough to hang out with your pals or do other fun stuff.
// As far as timeline.. I think Day2 & Day 3 should be within a few days of each other. Wait too long and you lose her. Day 4 should be prob early in the next week and Day 5 the end of the week. Then repeat every week if you want to keep seeing her alternating between Day 4 & Day 5 (so you keep it interesting but still sexual - push pull).
- Cloud
//I want to keep them kind of short and make focus on closing. Food should be light until after closed - instead of before. Work comfort stuff after.
Day 2
======
Typical D2 - meetup at UV Starbucks, Borders, or Ext Center, talk for 15 min, get something to drink (offer to pay but if they don't want to, don't care)
Decide if you like her or not. SOI a bit, build up attraction. Mention you want to show her your favorite place in Riverside - The Towne Center. Walk around, role play, then pull for kiss near a private place (water fountain area). Stop. Suggest you're not sure about her yet... but you kinda think she's turning you on. Continue looking around, showing stuff, holding hands or arm in arm, talking random bs role play stuff then pull again for makeout. Makeout hard. Stop. Get ice cream at Rite Aid. Share.
Mention you are the master of sandwiches and go back to your place. Show her tour of your room, then makeout on bed. Handle LMR, but close.
Make sandwiches. Maybe play a board game in room... Monopoly.
Day 3 Plan
===========
Meet up again at different place (if u did Starbucks, meet at Ext Center, or meet at Borders)
Get something to drink then talk about another cool place to go to. Go to UCR mountain area - show view. Makeout a couple times, move around in that general area... put her on stuff, then start finger banging her... get her to cum a couple times. Talk extremely dirty to her.. make it seem like she's seducing you and she's this ultra hot sexy goddess you just can't get away from.. You wanna frame her as the seductress so she starts associating the good times with 'her' seducing you... that's how you can take care of vulnerability - you're not coming off way too alpha.
Get groceries or take out food, mention board games back at your place, then close again a few more times on the bed. Finish dinner... then send her home.
Day 4 Plan
==========
Meet up at original place (rotate venues). Kiss her. Suggest going to somewhere 'exciting'... then go to a sex shop or dirty video store. Get some fun stuff.. talk really dirty, look at stuff in store...then bounce to your place to check out the stuff you 'bought'...
Close again. Maybe for like several hours. After that go somewhere interesting for dinner this time - KBBQ, especially if you like her.
Day 5 (continuous)
===================
Meet at your place, close. Play around (in bed) then spoon and get to know other stuff about her. Get something to eat. Repeat Day 5 for a while then do Day 4. Dump her at some point if she's really lame, or keep her if she's really cool. If she's cool, throw in more 'investment' by giving her a few more Day 4's - mix up interesting dinner with interesting location - like Griffith Observatory/drive to LA or OC /meet friends/party with others/introduce to social circle/etc.
//NOTE: Based on all the literature I've read about PU plus observations I made in field, talking to best natural friends, my experience and best game brain working overtime... I think it takes about 4 days (from Day 2-5) for her to be 'broken' in to having sex with you. The first time, major Buyer's Remorse. But if you add that element of comfort and then aggressively go after it for Day 3, making her really 'come' like several times, she'll prob end up liking the experience. Day 4 will be sorta easy because she knows whats up, that's why you just have fun, then add in comfort of dinner... because she invested in a day 4 with you. Day 5, play and get to know about her - start qualifying her out and decide if you want to continue investing - you should know by Day 5 whether she's cool enough to hang out with your pals or do other fun stuff.
// As far as timeline.. I think Day2 & Day 3 should be within a few days of each other. Wait too long and you lose her. Day 4 should be prob early in the next week and Day 5 the end of the week. Then repeat every week if you want to keep seeing her alternating between Day 4 & Day 5 (so you keep it interesting but still sexual - push pull).
- Cloud
Goals 3-15-10
Trying to get organized.. writing out a goals to improve myself and possibility of getting some =)
Goals
=====
1) Workout - get in top shape
2) Create a sarge schedule, organize group meetup, debrief and go out
3) Work the Extension center, UCR Clubs (VSA) - get into those circles
4) Film stuff, make a v-log, or podcast about whatever I'm doing - Japanese, Guitar, PU, movie making
5) Make more friends - leading to more social circles and more social cirlce parties (1x week) - Talk to lots of people and organize stuff to do.
6) Focus on greeting and balancing intent w/roleplay - Hi i'm cloud had to meet u..roleplay as gf; intent + woo at any point; pref from start tho in venues (boost attraction)
7) Close every girl u're into - isolate, pull, then close. If you lose her, oh well go to next girl. No time for frustration! It's about getting a skill set!
8) Upgrade fashion! Make clothes PIMP.
9) Upgrade room, get some board games, posters (visionary board), motivational quotes, gym exercises to do (posters), lava lamp, rack for clothes in closet, TV - in essence make room PIMP.
10) Take guitar lessons, bartending school, motorcycle lessons, marketing classes, design classes - this will help you meet some new social circles.
11) Study on weekends to relax mind, get smarter, think new ideas, have Cloud-only time.
Goals
=====
1) Workout - get in top shape
2) Create a sarge schedule, organize group meetup, debrief and go out
3) Work the Extension center, UCR Clubs (VSA) - get into those circles
4) Film stuff, make a v-log, or podcast about whatever I'm doing - Japanese, Guitar, PU, movie making
5) Make more friends - leading to more social circles and more social cirlce parties (1x week) - Talk to lots of people and organize stuff to do.
6) Focus on greeting and balancing intent w/roleplay - Hi i'm cloud had to meet u..roleplay as gf; intent + woo at any point; pref from start tho in venues (boost attraction)
7) Close every girl u're into - isolate, pull, then close. If you lose her, oh well go to next girl. No time for frustration! It's about getting a skill set!
8) Upgrade fashion! Make clothes PIMP.
9) Upgrade room, get some board games, posters (visionary board), motivational quotes, gym exercises to do (posters), lava lamp, rack for clothes in closet, TV - in essence make room PIMP.
10) Take guitar lessons, bartending school, motorcycle lessons, marketing classes, design classes - this will help you meet some new social circles.
11) Study on weekends to relax mind, get smarter, think new ideas, have Cloud-only time.
Thursday, March 11, 2010
Quick FR Intent at the Bank 3-11-10
Went to Union Bank.. teller said hi to me, so I said "are all the women in here married?" (she was def hot but wearing a ring).
She was like "uhhh.. no? why?"
"Cause I'm totally looking for someone. You guys have like the hottest girls working here."
(I stayed with my intent while wearing a smile).
She felt a little weird, but I stayed with it.. and she started laughing and flirting back.
YES.
We talked a little bit about how typically banks have older people working but this was the first one I had been to with hot ones.
"I think we do have some singles.. loll.."
"Great you need to introduce me to them next time I come", I said as I got my receipt back.
"Okayy hahaha have a good day.. Cloud"
YES! She remembered my name on the way out. How often does that happen when u're a chode? ^^
She was like "uhhh.. no? why?"
"Cause I'm totally looking for someone. You guys have like the hottest girls working here."
(I stayed with my intent while wearing a smile).
She felt a little weird, but I stayed with it.. and she started laughing and flirting back.
YES.
We talked a little bit about how typically banks have older people working but this was the first one I had been to with hot ones.
"I think we do have some singles.. loll.."
"Great you need to introduce me to them next time I come", I said as I got my receipt back.
"Okayy hahaha have a good day.. Cloud"
YES! She remembered my name on the way out. How often does that happen when u're a chode? ^^
Wednesday, March 10, 2010
Notes from Flawless Natural 3-10-10
woo - playful vibe
dickhold chicken, cyclone, claw, keylock , two claw lift & grapple, spin her and dance - 100% confidence; not 98% confidence
lovestriking - going and attacking right away
intent.. let it come from the core
fury threshold
misfired approaches to generate fury inside
how weird is it she's not even stopping?
wait you're running away from me? i'll be sad!
woo without intent means you're an entertainer guy - that's chode!
intent without woo means you're a creepy guy
hi, i'm cloud. ii thought you were adorable i just had to meet you. here come meet my friends. pull.
ignore the other chodes - they don't exist. keep talking to her, pull her away
i thought you looked cool i just had to meet you, i'm cloud
i'm sad i need a kiss
walk up to a mix group, introduce yourself .. hey i thought you guys looked cool i wanted to meet you.
state your intentions right away. i thought this girl was adorable, is she taken?
make them feel like spectators, frame them that way.
time to go! where? adventure! time to go!
i choose you~
talk through them!
i don't give a fuck about anyone else
three ranges of voice
tr - trying range
nr - normal range
br - break repoire range
instead of thinking what do i do? think what do i want? ;)
state boost
are you guys married yet? yay! -> physical escalation
move the interaction forward; from two random strangers meeting in a nightclub, to two people having fun roleplaying... the love bubble
you look like this girl named amy.. i can't go near you anymore --> she falls into the roleplay and now you guys are acting out roles...
me and amy used to kiss like this.. BOOM kiss :)
blaming her for your lovestruckness :D
you're taking me away from my friends.. looking so cute
let's get married..
where's the rings?
let's get divorced...
let's go on a date. ok when? right now!
pounding of passion... chat then go wait wait wait.. what's ur fsv color.. stack, qualify then kino now we can be together
//my stuff for a sec
basically tsukuyomi every girl into that night where u were fun and kissy with hbk & hbtalljp
tsukuyomi - woo
amaterasu - intent
susanoo - invincibility net
sharingan - able to see thru frames
kage bunshin - approach every set
nindou - don't worry until after it's done.
//end my stuff
lovestriking kino
approach right away, escalate right away
if it fails pretend u're sad but don't care just continue pumping your own state..
reframe others as your personal cheerleaders... shock them into observers when u come in dominant
meet the bouncer every time.. always greet him and any obstacle.. reframe as ur cheerleader
go to the store, grab some fruits take it home and get her to blend it with u
visionary board - throw stuff up there and wake up and see it.. your fav djs, superheroes, ripped,
overload the jerks, bouncers, etc... keep up the frame of friend, keep up the frame of talking to them about whatever.. push (xmen power), even amogs/bravo, etc
name things cooler than they really are
chariot of glory - car
lab - house
have a deep love for women, not the theory... spend time during the day generating women into your life
don't miss your purpose.. think of that woman you want
don't be frustrated ^^
keep building the house.. if something breaks, quickly think of a solution to fix it and get back to the overall building of the house. don't give up!
don't be put off, let the deep love for meeting girls come out.. enjoy the process
dickhold chicken, cyclone, claw, keylock , two claw lift & grapple, spin her and dance - 100% confidence; not 98% confidence
lovestriking - going and attacking right away
intent.. let it come from the core
fury threshold
misfired approaches to generate fury inside
how weird is it she's not even stopping?
wait you're running away from me? i'll be sad!
woo without intent means you're an entertainer guy - that's chode!
intent without woo means you're a creepy guy
hi, i'm cloud. ii thought you were adorable i just had to meet you. here come meet my friends. pull.
ignore the other chodes - they don't exist. keep talking to her, pull her away
i thought you looked cool i just had to meet you, i'm cloud
i'm sad i need a kiss
walk up to a mix group, introduce yourself .. hey i thought you guys looked cool i wanted to meet you.
state your intentions right away. i thought this girl was adorable, is she taken?
make them feel like spectators, frame them that way.
time to go! where? adventure! time to go!
i choose you~
talk through them!
i don't give a fuck about anyone else
three ranges of voice
tr - trying range
nr - normal range
br - break repoire range
instead of thinking what do i do? think what do i want? ;)
state boost
are you guys married yet? yay! -> physical escalation
move the interaction forward; from two random strangers meeting in a nightclub, to two people having fun roleplaying... the love bubble
you look like this girl named amy.. i can't go near you anymore --> she falls into the roleplay and now you guys are acting out roles...
me and amy used to kiss like this.. BOOM kiss :)
blaming her for your lovestruckness :D
you're taking me away from my friends.. looking so cute
let's get married..
where's the rings?
let's get divorced...
let's go on a date. ok when? right now!
pounding of passion... chat then go wait wait wait.. what's ur fsv color.. stack, qualify then kino now we can be together
//my stuff for a sec
basically tsukuyomi every girl into that night where u were fun and kissy with hbk & hbtalljp
tsukuyomi - woo
amaterasu - intent
susanoo - invincibility net
sharingan - able to see thru frames
kage bunshin - approach every set
nindou - don't worry until after it's done.
//end my stuff
lovestriking kino
approach right away, escalate right away
if it fails pretend u're sad but don't care just continue pumping your own state..
reframe others as your personal cheerleaders... shock them into observers when u come in dominant
meet the bouncer every time.. always greet him and any obstacle.. reframe as ur cheerleader
go to the store, grab some fruits take it home and get her to blend it with u
visionary board - throw stuff up there and wake up and see it.. your fav djs, superheroes, ripped,
overload the jerks, bouncers, etc... keep up the frame of friend, keep up the frame of talking to them about whatever.. push (xmen power), even amogs/bravo, etc
name things cooler than they really are
chariot of glory - car
lab - house
have a deep love for women, not the theory... spend time during the day generating women into your life
don't miss your purpose.. think of that woman you want
don't be frustrated ^^
keep building the house.. if something breaks, quickly think of a solution to fix it and get back to the overall building of the house. don't give up!
don't be put off, let the deep love for meeting girls come out.. enjoy the process
Monday, March 8, 2010
Post CC Mtg Thoughts on Investment & Approach/Escalation 3-7-10
I'm not going to review the Ultimate Text Game Seminar just yet, I'll do it in my next post. Right now I just want to write about some things that are on the top of my mind post the meeting. I feel really good at the moment - like renewed with a new sense of purpose. Honestly, I love going to meetings and meeting some of the top people in the pickup world. You always learn so much.
The first thing I want to write about is Investment. My question after dating HBK and getting so far with her in escalation was pretty much... "how can she still not 'love' me, even after I've made out with her like several times and almost got sex?" How is that possible? I ended up dumping her as you guys know because I wasn't getting investment from her.. she just shit tested me more and kept trying to put me in friend zone.
But now I think I've figured it out -- this like came to me right after I frame-battled a couple top PUAs and showed confidence in myself. Instead of getting offended, they actually gave me props.. and on top of that.. investment. A main CC leader gave me his number and invited me to his house for a party, another lead who never talked to me suddenly wanted to be my friend again and wing at some point, and an instructor from a PUA school (a super hard-ass PUA who frame-battled me at another seminar) spilled his guts on his escalation game -- even tho he was a bit resistant at first. I was like... WTF? How did I do that?
Do you remember that movie Star Trek? Last Samurai? Fast & The Furious? Or Avatar? If you look at the storyline for these movies, it's really simple. The main character is always a foreigner/outsider, who falls in love with the 'village' princess but clashes with the alpha male 'brother' or 'lover/suitor' of the princess. The foreigner fights with the alpha male a bit, with the alpha guy thinking... this guy isn't one of us, he can't fit in. Yet, the foreigner does something amazing like save the village from some catastrophe or help the alpha male out.. and then the alpha male succumbs and lets the foreigner in as one of the 'clansmen'. He also moves aside (or dies), and the foreigner gets the girl too. I know I prob made a mess of writing this paragraph.. but I'll revise it later to be more clear.
The point I want to make is... this scenario is the same with pickup and making new friends. If you want people to invest in you, you have to set the frame that you are just as dominant as them, if not more. What this does is make them sit up and notice you. You're not just some face-less guy in the audience anymore. You're questioning them.. making them feel a bit uncomfortable.
But it's okay! Have the courage in yourself to hold that frame and stay with it. The stronger people may shit test you or give you resistance -- frame battling you to see if you're really as 'alpha' as you make yourself to be. If you just hold it, eventually they will qualify themselves.
That is what you want. That's investment. When they start giving you help, or information, you want to slightly reward them with your IOIs. That encourages them to keep talking.. they like the good feelings they are sharing with you and want it to continue. If they give resistance and you don't stand for it, it's also powerful, because they feel like they haven't won you yet.
You don't want to give them all your IOIs.. otherwise you blow yourself out; they think, oh this guy was just trying to act all bad-ass.. but really he's just a pussy-cat -- I totally figured him out now. The situation is made worse when you yourself stop acting dominant and instead acting friendly around this person so much you come off needy. Then they really think, hmm this guy is just a social leech or a creepy needy guy who wants to get into my pants (if they're a girl).
Going back to my story with HBK -- Sure I was making out with her, and she was really into it at those times.. but all I was was a dancing monkey. I was 'entertaining her' with my makeouts. She didn't really earn it though. That's why she didn't love me even after all the escalation going on. She was enjoying the moment, but I equate that to the same as one of those dudes who perform magic tricks in a bar -- it's entertaining to the girl, but after the show's over..she gets up and leaves. The guy feels like a tool and wonders what happened.. why he didn't get the girl.
If I had challenged HBK hard instead; calling her out on her cooking skills, or calling her out on her whatever skills.. putting her into a qualifying mode where she had to prove to me she could cook... or whatever; and THEN I escalated (like k-close), I think that would have sent the right message. She would have 'invested' more, and been rewarded for it. Like if she made me a great meal, and I gave her hot amazing sex for it, I think she would really be appreciative. She would want to make another great meal for the reward I give her.
It's the same with friends...you want to call em out a little... (of course you wanna be callibrated with it) but by challenging them a little.. like maybe telling them they suck at a video game and need to get better.. they'll suddenly work hard to play that game and get good. Then when they get good, you acknowledge them a little, but you work hard yourself to get better. So they see you working hard, and they think.. hmm this guy isn't full of shit, he's also improving himself.. and they feel obligated to help you out more; because they can challenge you and you can challenge them -- that's the best friendship, because both parties are fully invested in each other.
The other thing I wanted to talk about was something Bravo told me during the CC seminar -- don't be afraid to be aggressive and dominating in your kino. Girls will tell you when they want you to stop, but don't fear starting. If they don't tell you to stop, it's a green light... girls enjoy dominance, and he has gotten away with making out with girls at the beginning of dates to having crazy sex by the time the date is over; rather than wating all the way til the date ends to get a peck on the cheek. He also rips girls' underwears off, rails them in the sack, he's just a kino-monster, but girls love it because he is so alpha. The key is not to worry about what they'll say if you do something, it's to let it happen and then deal with it. If they really want you to stop, stop and build comfort. If you can escalate again, do it.. or if the girl is way too much trouble, move on. There's hundreds other girls out there. Don't be afraid of approaching, the pain of not approaching is much more annoying .. you think about it for days being out of state which is a huge waste of time compared to just approaching and getting rejected/or not! (and it only takes a min).
All in all... I definitely feel more confident. I can't wait to approach and meet some new chicks; practice getting better. Tomorrow I'll clean up this post, it was kinda a rough draft, but I felt it was really important to get off my chest. Investment guys.. if she's not giving you what you desire, don't reward her. MAKE HER FUCKING WORK FOR IT. Same with your friends.. don't let them walk all over you; be the challenger, but give them props when they do cool stuff for you (offer value, or challenge you to be awesome too). If your girl or friends don't invest even though you give them lots of IOIs, DUMP THEM. Find some new people! That's being alpha. Don't be afraid of approaching or escalating. The pain of not doing and regretting is much worse than doing and getting rejected for a brief sec for it. Also you might not get rejected at all! That's the best case scenario!
- Cloud
The first thing I want to write about is Investment. My question after dating HBK and getting so far with her in escalation was pretty much... "how can she still not 'love' me, even after I've made out with her like several times and almost got sex?" How is that possible? I ended up dumping her as you guys know because I wasn't getting investment from her.. she just shit tested me more and kept trying to put me in friend zone.
But now I think I've figured it out -- this like came to me right after I frame-battled a couple top PUAs and showed confidence in myself. Instead of getting offended, they actually gave me props.. and on top of that.. investment. A main CC leader gave me his number and invited me to his house for a party, another lead who never talked to me suddenly wanted to be my friend again and wing at some point, and an instructor from a PUA school (a super hard-ass PUA who frame-battled me at another seminar) spilled his guts on his escalation game -- even tho he was a bit resistant at first. I was like... WTF? How did I do that?
Do you remember that movie Star Trek? Last Samurai? Fast & The Furious? Or Avatar? If you look at the storyline for these movies, it's really simple. The main character is always a foreigner/outsider, who falls in love with the 'village' princess but clashes with the alpha male 'brother' or 'lover/suitor' of the princess. The foreigner fights with the alpha male a bit, with the alpha guy thinking... this guy isn't one of us, he can't fit in. Yet, the foreigner does something amazing like save the village from some catastrophe or help the alpha male out.. and then the alpha male succumbs and lets the foreigner in as one of the 'clansmen'. He also moves aside (or dies), and the foreigner gets the girl too. I know I prob made a mess of writing this paragraph.. but I'll revise it later to be more clear.
The point I want to make is... this scenario is the same with pickup and making new friends. If you want people to invest in you, you have to set the frame that you are just as dominant as them, if not more. What this does is make them sit up and notice you. You're not just some face-less guy in the audience anymore. You're questioning them.. making them feel a bit uncomfortable.
But it's okay! Have the courage in yourself to hold that frame and stay with it. The stronger people may shit test you or give you resistance -- frame battling you to see if you're really as 'alpha' as you make yourself to be. If you just hold it, eventually they will qualify themselves.
That is what you want. That's investment. When they start giving you help, or information, you want to slightly reward them with your IOIs. That encourages them to keep talking.. they like the good feelings they are sharing with you and want it to continue. If they give resistance and you don't stand for it, it's also powerful, because they feel like they haven't won you yet.
You don't want to give them all your IOIs.. otherwise you blow yourself out; they think, oh this guy was just trying to act all bad-ass.. but really he's just a pussy-cat -- I totally figured him out now. The situation is made worse when you yourself stop acting dominant and instead acting friendly around this person so much you come off needy. Then they really think, hmm this guy is just a social leech or a creepy needy guy who wants to get into my pants (if they're a girl).
Going back to my story with HBK -- Sure I was making out with her, and she was really into it at those times.. but all I was was a dancing monkey. I was 'entertaining her' with my makeouts. She didn't really earn it though. That's why she didn't love me even after all the escalation going on. She was enjoying the moment, but I equate that to the same as one of those dudes who perform magic tricks in a bar -- it's entertaining to the girl, but after the show's over..she gets up and leaves. The guy feels like a tool and wonders what happened.. why he didn't get the girl.
If I had challenged HBK hard instead; calling her out on her cooking skills, or calling her out on her whatever skills.. putting her into a qualifying mode where she had to prove to me she could cook... or whatever; and THEN I escalated (like k-close), I think that would have sent the right message. She would have 'invested' more, and been rewarded for it. Like if she made me a great meal, and I gave her hot amazing sex for it, I think she would really be appreciative. She would want to make another great meal for the reward I give her.
It's the same with friends...you want to call em out a little... (of course you wanna be callibrated with it) but by challenging them a little.. like maybe telling them they suck at a video game and need to get better.. they'll suddenly work hard to play that game and get good. Then when they get good, you acknowledge them a little, but you work hard yourself to get better. So they see you working hard, and they think.. hmm this guy isn't full of shit, he's also improving himself.. and they feel obligated to help you out more; because they can challenge you and you can challenge them -- that's the best friendship, because both parties are fully invested in each other.
The other thing I wanted to talk about was something Bravo told me during the CC seminar -- don't be afraid to be aggressive and dominating in your kino. Girls will tell you when they want you to stop, but don't fear starting. If they don't tell you to stop, it's a green light... girls enjoy dominance, and he has gotten away with making out with girls at the beginning of dates to having crazy sex by the time the date is over; rather than wating all the way til the date ends to get a peck on the cheek. He also rips girls' underwears off, rails them in the sack, he's just a kino-monster, but girls love it because he is so alpha. The key is not to worry about what they'll say if you do something, it's to let it happen and then deal with it. If they really want you to stop, stop and build comfort. If you can escalate again, do it.. or if the girl is way too much trouble, move on. There's hundreds other girls out there. Don't be afraid of approaching, the pain of not approaching is much more annoying .. you think about it for days being out of state which is a huge waste of time compared to just approaching and getting rejected/or not! (and it only takes a min).
All in all... I definitely feel more confident. I can't wait to approach and meet some new chicks; practice getting better. Tomorrow I'll clean up this post, it was kinda a rough draft, but I felt it was really important to get off my chest. Investment guys.. if she's not giving you what you desire, don't reward her. MAKE HER FUCKING WORK FOR IT. Same with your friends.. don't let them walk all over you; be the challenger, but give them props when they do cool stuff for you (offer value, or challenge you to be awesome too). If your girl or friends don't invest even though you give them lots of IOIs, DUMP THEM. Find some new people! That's being alpha. Don't be afraid of approaching or escalating. The pain of not doing and regretting is much worse than doing and getting rejected for a brief sec for it. Also you might not get rejected at all! That's the best case scenario!
- Cloud
Thursday, March 4, 2010
Falling in love vs being a player (Fast Seduction 101)
From Fast Seduction 101...
The question of falling in love is tricky for everyone and the PUA is no exception. He is however less likely to develop a pathetic and desperate fixation commonly associated with falling in love. It can happen, but its effects (jealousy, depression etc) are far less severe. They just don't have any room to develop and aren't given enough time to reach their full potential.
The word polyamorous has been coined which is probably the closest match to describing how a seducer is in love - he is simply in love with many women at once. Being in love with one girl at a time, especially if it is a one-sided feeling, has you fixated on this one girl, thus giving off vibes of desperation, paralysing your ability to think clearly, feeling constant fear of being rejected and lowering your self-esteem when your feelings are not returned - all of which will repel a girl even further away from you thus forming a self-reinforcing downward cycle. Being in love with many girls at a time (or at least interested in, if they've not yet given you cause to reward them by showing any deeper affection and making them your girlfriends:) has the effect of letting you keep your thinking more coherent, remain confident because you acknowledge and understand that there are more girls than just this "one", all the while being able to guide her feelings for you - to match and even exceed the intensity of feelings of those being in love if you choose to. And your confidence and coolness about these matters attracts girls (as opposed to desperation, which repels) thus forming another, but this time a positive self-reinforcing cycle.
Some say that the ideal is still a one-on-one relationship full of complete and unconditional love. I agree with the latter part of the assertion - complete and unconditional love truly is an ideal. But I have to disagree with the assertion of one-on-one situations being the ideal. The biggest argument in support of the one-on-one ideal is that a family needs both a mother and a father for the children to be able to model the world through them and be supported financially. Should one of the parents be led astray by some parallel relationships, this could end up with the family being broken. So to protect the integrity of the family, all relationships should be strictly one-on-one and no polyamorous relations are to be allowed. But inherently it shows the weakness of the one-on-one ideal - for it is exactly this very same ideal that forces one of the parents to choose, which on of his/her relations to make that ideal one-on-one relationship, and should he/she opt for a new one, the old one will be broken, and thus will also be broken the very values which the one-on-one ideal was supposed to protect.
Ok, this example was the extreme of the extreme - marriage, family, children - something that most of you probably don't want to be associated with quite yet:) Notice however how the exclusivity of love ideal fell fat on its face in it:)
The other argument is, that the exclusivity of someone's affection is supposed to give added value to that affection. The truth is - yes, exclusivity will bring added value… for a while, but soon enough, this added value will subside into routine and being taken for granted and will eventually degenerate into boredom. Whereas non-exclusivity can help keep things fresh for a very long time indeed:)
A one-on-one relationship is actually more a matter of comfort and traditions - after years of fruitless pursuits and painful rejections, you've finally found someone you like and someone who likes you back, a companion, with whom you can have your needs of giving and receiving love fulfilled. You sigh a sigh of relief and settle in. You're an AFC headed for marriage:)
One more argument defending the one-on-one relationship is that love in its nature is exclusive and you cannot for example be in love with two different people at a time. (I do admit, that loving and being in love with somebody are not quite the same, but neither do the proponents of the one-on-one relationship seem to notice a difference - they force their standards upon everybody). This is one truly weak argument and can only derive from either such people's lack of experience, denial of having felt that way or simple inability to feel that way, which they then extend and attribute to the whole world. But sooner or later even they shall have to acknowledge the possibility of being able to share love with many people, at least to some degree. Or do they love their parents just one at a time? Or do you plan on loving their children one at a time? Of course not. They feel love for all of them - maybe more for some and less for others, but definitely not "only one at a time". They might of course argue, that that kind of love is "different", but I'd say its' different on just three aspects - more empathy, less intimacy and no choice in who the objects of your affection are. Other than that, it is love nevertheless.
I want to stress, that there's nothing wrong with monogamous relationships, falling in love in the classic, desperate way or getting married. Too often however people do these things because they don't think they have a choice. But then, when it turns out, they could actually have had a choice and there were even better options available, they close their eyes and start preaching on the benefits and superiority of their choice over other options and the supreme and divine wisdom of the choice they actually made in ignorance.
So either seduce to your heart's content or fall in love and get married or become a munk to lead a life of celibacy - just know your options and make a knowledgeable choice:)
Epilogue
As for why I even bothered to discuss the relative benefits of being a "player". Life's too short - not that you should taste as many girls as you can, but at least you shouldn't waste your time with the girls you can't have. Being a player let's you see that and move on, being an AFC however has you banging your head against the wall until one of them crumbles (well… walls have been known to crumble from time to time too:).
An excerpt from "Dumb and Dumber" to illustrate this:)
Jim Carrey: So… waddaya think? What are the chances of the two of us being together?
HB: (silence)
Jim Carrey: One in two? One in three? …One in five?
HB: Um… rather… one in a million.
Jim Carrey: (with a big smile:) So… ya'r saying…. THERE'S A CHANCE:)))????
Source: http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/08_related_articles/polyamor.shtml
The question of falling in love is tricky for everyone and the PUA is no exception. He is however less likely to develop a pathetic and desperate fixation commonly associated with falling in love. It can happen, but its effects (jealousy, depression etc) are far less severe. They just don't have any room to develop and aren't given enough time to reach their full potential.
The word polyamorous has been coined which is probably the closest match to describing how a seducer is in love - he is simply in love with many women at once. Being in love with one girl at a time, especially if it is a one-sided feeling, has you fixated on this one girl, thus giving off vibes of desperation, paralysing your ability to think clearly, feeling constant fear of being rejected and lowering your self-esteem when your feelings are not returned - all of which will repel a girl even further away from you thus forming a self-reinforcing downward cycle. Being in love with many girls at a time (or at least interested in, if they've not yet given you cause to reward them by showing any deeper affection and making them your girlfriends:) has the effect of letting you keep your thinking more coherent, remain confident because you acknowledge and understand that there are more girls than just this "one", all the while being able to guide her feelings for you - to match and even exceed the intensity of feelings of those being in love if you choose to. And your confidence and coolness about these matters attracts girls (as opposed to desperation, which repels) thus forming another, but this time a positive self-reinforcing cycle.
Some say that the ideal is still a one-on-one relationship full of complete and unconditional love. I agree with the latter part of the assertion - complete and unconditional love truly is an ideal. But I have to disagree with the assertion of one-on-one situations being the ideal. The biggest argument in support of the one-on-one ideal is that a family needs both a mother and a father for the children to be able to model the world through them and be supported financially. Should one of the parents be led astray by some parallel relationships, this could end up with the family being broken. So to protect the integrity of the family, all relationships should be strictly one-on-one and no polyamorous relations are to be allowed. But inherently it shows the weakness of the one-on-one ideal - for it is exactly this very same ideal that forces one of the parents to choose, which on of his/her relations to make that ideal one-on-one relationship, and should he/she opt for a new one, the old one will be broken, and thus will also be broken the very values which the one-on-one ideal was supposed to protect.
Ok, this example was the extreme of the extreme - marriage, family, children - something that most of you probably don't want to be associated with quite yet:) Notice however how the exclusivity of love ideal fell fat on its face in it:)
The other argument is, that the exclusivity of someone's affection is supposed to give added value to that affection. The truth is - yes, exclusivity will bring added value… for a while, but soon enough, this added value will subside into routine and being taken for granted and will eventually degenerate into boredom. Whereas non-exclusivity can help keep things fresh for a very long time indeed:)
A one-on-one relationship is actually more a matter of comfort and traditions - after years of fruitless pursuits and painful rejections, you've finally found someone you like and someone who likes you back, a companion, with whom you can have your needs of giving and receiving love fulfilled. You sigh a sigh of relief and settle in. You're an AFC headed for marriage:)
One more argument defending the one-on-one relationship is that love in its nature is exclusive and you cannot for example be in love with two different people at a time. (I do admit, that loving and being in love with somebody are not quite the same, but neither do the proponents of the one-on-one relationship seem to notice a difference - they force their standards upon everybody). This is one truly weak argument and can only derive from either such people's lack of experience, denial of having felt that way or simple inability to feel that way, which they then extend and attribute to the whole world. But sooner or later even they shall have to acknowledge the possibility of being able to share love with many people, at least to some degree. Or do they love their parents just one at a time? Or do you plan on loving their children one at a time? Of course not. They feel love for all of them - maybe more for some and less for others, but definitely not "only one at a time". They might of course argue, that that kind of love is "different", but I'd say its' different on just three aspects - more empathy, less intimacy and no choice in who the objects of your affection are. Other than that, it is love nevertheless.
I want to stress, that there's nothing wrong with monogamous relationships, falling in love in the classic, desperate way or getting married. Too often however people do these things because they don't think they have a choice. But then, when it turns out, they could actually have had a choice and there were even better options available, they close their eyes and start preaching on the benefits and superiority of their choice over other options and the supreme and divine wisdom of the choice they actually made in ignorance.
So either seduce to your heart's content or fall in love and get married or become a munk to lead a life of celibacy - just know your options and make a knowledgeable choice:)
Epilogue
As for why I even bothered to discuss the relative benefits of being a "player". Life's too short - not that you should taste as many girls as you can, but at least you shouldn't waste your time with the girls you can't have. Being a player let's you see that and move on, being an AFC however has you banging your head against the wall until one of them crumbles (well… walls have been known to crumble from time to time too:).
An excerpt from "Dumb and Dumber" to illustrate this:)
Jim Carrey: So… waddaya think? What are the chances of the two of us being together?
HB: (silence)
Jim Carrey: One in two? One in three? …One in five?
HB: Um… rather… one in a million.
Jim Carrey: (with a big smile:) So… ya'r saying…. THERE'S A CHANCE:)))????
Source: http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/08_related_articles/polyamor.shtml
Wednesday, March 3, 2010
Done. 3-3-10
In other news, I dumped HBK last night via text. Mentally it was tough. I enjoyed the time I spent with her, but I felt ultimately I was running into a wall with her, and it was something I needed to do in order to progress my learning.
Here are some awesome things that happened during this great experience:
- Got my first k-close (well I had some before, but they were just club kisses.. not special ones like this one.. which I used a 'close your eyes' routine for).
- Had my first several makeouts in a row
- Got my first intense makeout with tongue & almost pulled to a lay
- Handled shit tests like a mofo (became super saiyan) and battled resistance like a champ
- Went through Buyers Remorse & LMR (the 4th and 5th levels); improved my text game
- Found awesome places to instadate that were cheap and close to my house (e.g. In & Out, Mall)
- Got good at isolating (pulling a girl by the hand and taking to a corner - works so awesome.. just say "Hey come here for a sec.. and then makeout by the wall").
- Found out my backyard and view of UCR is makeout city
- Had a first 'girlfriend' for almost a month (that's a pretty long time not to blow one's self out)!
- Broke up with a girl for the first time!
I'm really glad I pushed myself this far. I never really expected anything from that first kiss, I thought I would blow out like every other time and get 'friend zoned', going home empty handed and heartbroken. In actuality, I progressed...like insanely. By taking the plunge and just rolling with it, I was able to keep progressing -- I had a mentality of gaming as far as I could with this girl; not taking any shit. It worked out largely in my favor -- and that was the real lesson learned. Don't give up; just keep gaming.. because it's actually attractive. It's her job to resist, your job to persist.
So am I being contradictory for breaking up with her now? I thought about that, but here is what I think. At this point, I've seen enough of the girl's personality to be able to qualify her. I didn't feel like her personality was really that great.. sure I learned some things about Korea but I didn't really feel any sort of emotional connection with her; she was focused too much on pushing me away and being 'cool' rather than enjoying the moment. That's a drag.. honestly. Having to always 'fight' her to get a kiss or some sort of investment kinda sucked. I mean it made me better at fighting shit tests, but after asking around ... I've been convinced there are better girls out there.
Should I go for the close with this one? Well by dumping her, I put her into a qualifying frame instead of myself. So I'm the evaluator - as BradP says. If she tries to work back into my life, and the logistics are good.. I will close. I want that experience too. But until then, she's a 'nobody' who needs to invest to get my attention back before I reconsider her (also BradP ref). Investment is really important in a relationship. If it's not there, there really isn't anything. To me that's the next level I need to be focused on. Sure, my own game is really important.. and I will continue practicing on other girls, but I also need to qualify harder and 'push' them sorta to give back to the relationship. Being able to break up, even from a 'good thing' is part of mental strength too. It forces you to be that 'evaluator'.. be the one qualifying..always setting the frame in a relationship, rather than just having to live with whatever you were lucky enough to get.
I want to meet a hotter girl, someone who's more outgoing, but also likes things I like.. video games, cuddling on the couch and watching TV, eating different foods, travelling, etc. I don't know if I'll find her now, but by progressing my game and continuing to practice, I'm on the right path to finding quality girls worth more of my attention.
- Cloud
Here are some awesome things that happened during this great experience:
- Got my first k-close (well I had some before, but they were just club kisses.. not special ones like this one.. which I used a 'close your eyes' routine for).
- Had my first several makeouts in a row
- Got my first intense makeout with tongue & almost pulled to a lay
- Handled shit tests like a mofo (became super saiyan) and battled resistance like a champ
- Went through Buyers Remorse & LMR (the 4th and 5th levels); improved my text game
- Found awesome places to instadate that were cheap and close to my house (e.g. In & Out, Mall)
- Got good at isolating (pulling a girl by the hand and taking to a corner - works so awesome.. just say "Hey come here for a sec.. and then makeout by the wall").
- Found out my backyard and view of UCR is makeout city
- Had a first 'girlfriend' for almost a month (that's a pretty long time not to blow one's self out)!
- Broke up with a girl for the first time!
I'm really glad I pushed myself this far. I never really expected anything from that first kiss, I thought I would blow out like every other time and get 'friend zoned', going home empty handed and heartbroken. In actuality, I progressed...like insanely. By taking the plunge and just rolling with it, I was able to keep progressing -- I had a mentality of gaming as far as I could with this girl; not taking any shit. It worked out largely in my favor -- and that was the real lesson learned. Don't give up; just keep gaming.. because it's actually attractive. It's her job to resist, your job to persist.
So am I being contradictory for breaking up with her now? I thought about that, but here is what I think. At this point, I've seen enough of the girl's personality to be able to qualify her. I didn't feel like her personality was really that great.. sure I learned some things about Korea but I didn't really feel any sort of emotional connection with her; she was focused too much on pushing me away and being 'cool' rather than enjoying the moment. That's a drag.. honestly. Having to always 'fight' her to get a kiss or some sort of investment kinda sucked. I mean it made me better at fighting shit tests, but after asking around ... I've been convinced there are better girls out there.
Should I go for the close with this one? Well by dumping her, I put her into a qualifying frame instead of myself. So I'm the evaluator - as BradP says. If she tries to work back into my life, and the logistics are good.. I will close. I want that experience too. But until then, she's a 'nobody' who needs to invest to get my attention back before I reconsider her (also BradP ref). Investment is really important in a relationship. If it's not there, there really isn't anything. To me that's the next level I need to be focused on. Sure, my own game is really important.. and I will continue practicing on other girls, but I also need to qualify harder and 'push' them sorta to give back to the relationship. Being able to break up, even from a 'good thing' is part of mental strength too. It forces you to be that 'evaluator'.. be the one qualifying..always setting the frame in a relationship, rather than just having to live with whatever you were lucky enough to get.
I want to meet a hotter girl, someone who's more outgoing, but also likes things I like.. video games, cuddling on the couch and watching TV, eating different foods, travelling, etc. I don't know if I'll find her now, but by progressing my game and continuing to practice, I'm on the right path to finding quality girls worth more of my attention.
- Cloud
RSD Bootcamp with Jeffy - By 'JUDGE' from Venusian Arts Forums
Thought this was an excellent read... was feeling particularly chody this morning, but thanks to reading some awesome FRs on the net, I feel a lot better.
-------------- By JUDGE
“This isn’t summer camp to pickup girls,” Jeffy said as candlelight flicked over the blonde curls of his mullet. “This is BOOTCAMP.”
His voice pounded me with a sense of finality. Bootcamp had begun. The chode could no longer hide. Until that moment, everything still seemed like Summer Camp to Pickup Girls. Flying across the country, checking in to my hilariously bad hotel, walking the mean urban streets to the lounge, meeting the other students all seemed fun and summery. Even when Jeffy walked in, dressed in his blue non-woo button down, bootcamp still seemed like a point on a future timeline, an unreality.
“Fucking bootcamp,” Jeffy repeated, then reclined in the tanned leather armchair, letting the moment expand and electrify. I sipped my Corona and felt the sour bite of lime on my tongue. I tasted the air of the shadowy lounge. Candlelight danced over the dark, wooden room as the first crackles of nimbus surged through my body.
Jeffy leaned forward, began explaining what he expected of us as students, as men. He could only bring 7 out of 10 to this bootcamp. If we wanted a 10 out of 10 experience, we were responsible for our weekend, for our success, for our fate. The words Jeffy spoke were like electrons charging a capacitor. I felt like that green dude from Street Fighter who shoots electricity. I felt prepared for unbridled glory.
“There’s a cougarish two set behind us,” Jeffy whispered. I was already standing by the time he said to get up and approach.
Leering over the women and interrupting their conversation, I introduced myself. One giggled, shook my hand and told me her name. When I turned to the other, offering my hand, all I got in return was a scowl as my hand hung, unshook.
“Soooo…,” I continued, turning to the warm girl and began spitting nonsense. She giggled and matched my masculine nonsense with her feminine nonsense. It was on. However, the non-glorious, scowling friend kept interjecting with comments intended to offend and deter me. But it all seemed vaguely humorous and irrelevant. All that mattered was the moment and the feeling. The dawn of nimbus.
“How do you two know each other?” I asked out of habit.
“Friends,” my warm, nonsensical feminine girl perked. “How do you know those guys?” she parroted, pointing to our table, shimmering in the glory of Jeffy and my recently knighted brothers-in-arms.
When I recited the answer Jeffy wanted us to tell when asked this question, bootcamp would get kicked up a gear.
“Actually, this is a bachelor party. Our friend Jeff is the groom-to-be and we’re hunting for his wife. Tonight. At the bar. Once we find her, we’re all flying to Vegas so they can get married, then divorced. This is all so Jeff can change his Facebook status to ‘divorced’.”
Quick Zack Morris timeout. I am going to interrupt this epic bootcamp retelling to call attention to the absolute absurdity of the above paragraph. I hope the utter ridiculousness of employing one of the most sanctimonious and costly social institutions to authenticate the frivolity of a “relationship status” on a social networking internet site deviates enough from the average reader’s reality that you LOL’d or, at the very least, WTF’d at the abovementioned response.
Well, this was not the case for drunk ex-strippers.
Suddenly the previously cold girl came alive and leaned over the table, touching my arm.
“Wait, you guys are having a bachelor party? Do you guys have strippers?”
“Ehhh…no. Well, I mean maybe, if Jeff ends up meeting one at the bar and marrying her…”
“I don’t have my heels with me, but I have my iPod!” cold woman exclaimed. “I used to strip…I’ll give you guys a discount!”
“Umm…yeah, I think we’re all set.”
“No! You guys need a stripper! I will work your friend sooo hard!”
“Hmmmm…interesting. Well, maybe we can all meet up at the club later or –”
“No!” ex-stripper informed me. “We’re not meeting at the club! Wait, do you guys have a hotel room? We can do it there. It’ll only take a half-hour!”
“Yeah, I should probably get back to my friends…”
“Wait,” my warm girl chimed in, “I’LL meet you guys at the club. Give me your number!”
“Okay,” I said, programmed my number into her phone, and walked back to our table.
Smiling, Jeff congratulated me on a solid open. Not wanting to wreck the moment, I neglected to tell him about the whole stripper thing, figuring it was irrelevant.
Jeff got back to detailing how the night would unfold. After about 10 minutes, I felt a sharp tap on my shoulder.
“I want to see TJ,” I heard my name, spoken with unswerving certainty by the venomous lips of ex-stripper.
“Ummm…okay,” I said, getting up as if in reaction. Like Tyler said in Blueprint, the weight of a hot girl’s beliefs can seem very heavy.
Hilariously, as she led me like a prisoner back to her table, I heard Jeffy cackle and shout: “Pft! See, if she tried that shit on me, I would’ve been like, NO!”
The ex-stripper sat me in a chair and leaned forward like an interrogator with a spotlight in my face.
“Why don’t you have a stripper?”
“Ehhh…”
“You guys need a stripper. I’m going to strip for you. I’m even going to give you a discount.”
I felt the statements cut through me like gamma rays. She seemed so sure of what she was saying. She seemed so determined to melt me into a puddle of man-mush. This was a woman used to getting her way, used to destroying chody men. My nimbus wasn’t yet strong enough to repel her, I could only repeat: “You should really talk to Jeff.”
“Why should I talk to Jeff?” she snorted.
“Because…he makes the decisions.”
A smile crept over her face. In the candlelight, she looked like an evil temptress, like a sexy comic book villainess who delightedly minces men to their death.
“Yes,” she cooed, “I’ll talk to JEFF.” She spoke his name with oozing contempt. “You just watch! I’ll work your friend JEFF.” At that, she stood up and pranced over to our table.
“Which one’s JEFF?” she demanded.
Jeffy looked riotously ironic: slumped in the tanned leather armchair he half-heartedly raised his hand.
“SO!” the ex-stripper boomed. “It’s your bachelor party? You’re looking to have some FUN?”
“If by fun,” Jeffy grinned, “you mean fucking sluts in the ass than yes.”
The room exploded. The stripper hit Jeff with congruence test after shit test after chode destroyer and Jeff just kept coming back with better and better responses. In the course of 5 minutes, I watched Jeff push her off his lap, stick his hands down her pants (asking if her pockets were “girl pockets”), rub his face in her tits and ask “Mommy?”, tell her he was going to “purchase for her one fine bottle of red wine, and, perhaps some cheese”, all while not flinching a bit and completely owning the frame. I saw mastery firsthand. I saw sex-worthiness. And it looked gloriouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus.
Eventually we left the lounge, finishing the seminar portion in a hotel room, and then hit the club.
Even though Jeff said just to be friendly, I was ready to explode in the club. I promised myself when I walked through the door, I’d hit the first set in sight like a fucking jackhammer.
The door opened…and…there were only three dudes at the bar and a table with (what we’d later find out were) two transsexuals. Non-glory times.
I ordered a beer and talked to Jeff as more people wandered in. At the time, my thought cycle kept repeating: You’re on bootcamp > You should be in set > You’re choding just talking to Jeff. However, in retrospect, relaxing and settling into the environment calmed my nerves, and, by talking to Jeff, I tuned in to his rhythm and presence, which dialed up my nimbus to state deluxe.
After about 20 minutes, Jeff looked at me, smiling. “Look. There’s a table of people in the back,” he pointed. “Just roll up, be friendly, try to start the party, and I’ll come wing you in a minute.”
“Yes!” I clapped my hands. “Awesome!” I spun and did a strut across the club.
If I could distill and bottle what I experienced for the 10 seconds I moved across the club, I’d have the elusive magic bullet elixir that could get anyone laid. Literally, my skin was surging with electric current; my eyes could silence throbbing music and freeze motion; my voice boomed from a drum in my stomach; the most powerful and primitive aphrodisiac radiated from every pore: NIMBUS. I was no longer under a jurisdiction dictated by the laws of science: my steps were light and ethereal, exempt from the tax of gravity; my brain rearranged the chemistry of my neurotransmitters so that every signaling molecule sang a war anthem of triumph; my biological body transcended its cells and organs and bones to become pure energy, a cloud of party.
I thought I had felt “the nimbus” before. I thought the on nights where everything out of my mouth was gold or I picked up some bitchy model or got a 30-second tongue down were “nimbus nights”. When I tried to explain this to Jeffy later, he perfectly articulated true nimbus, clarifying: “It’s like someone who snorts coke. No one who snorts coke for the first time says, ‘Hmmmm, I think I may be high.’ No! that mother fucker KNOWS he’s high cause he’s like wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!’”
To get all nerd and analytical about it, I realized nimbus (for me) is three equal parts: 1.) the woooo, 2.) core confidence, and 3.) 100 percent belief.
Back home, I had the woooo, I’d cultivated the core confidence, but my belief still wasn’t 100 percent. Perhaps I’d thought it was 100 percent, but I realized, as I walked across that club, that 100 percent belief is walking up to a large seated mixed set knowing they were either going to have to accept me as their leader or physically relocate their party. There was no way I was going to slink away a chody failure in front of Jeffy.
Closing in, I started clapping my hands. A toothy smile exploded on my face. I walked up to the harbingers of the group and shouted, “AWESOME!”
Everyone stopped and looked at me, amazed. Nimbus doesn’t put people in spectator mode; it puts them in freeze frame. I repeated “Aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-someeeeeeeeeeee” until the hottest girl in the group jumped up and shrieked.
She ran up to me like a star-struck groupy. She was hot: blonde, skinny, huge tits, sparkly evening gown deluxe.
“Are you gay?” she chirped, “Are you gay?”
“Am….I….gay?” I repeated in mockery. “Worst. Pickup line. Ever. Get over here.” Boom. Claw. Actually, no. To label the clamp I put on this chickity’s shoulder a ‘claw’ is utterly misleading. The nimbus upgraded the civilian’s claw to The Embrace of Destiny, to The Midas Touch of Fuck.
I walked her away from her friends, talking simply for the sake of feeling the crackling energy of my voice. I paraded her to the dance floor. Pelvic grind times. I asked her name. She responded, “Does it even matter?” We start making out. Boner-inducing tongue down (or, according to the Jeffy Kiss Scale, a ‘Stage 3’).
As we’re making out, I hear Jeffy cackling. I see him trying to snap a picture. In between makeouts, my girl is whispering erotic nothings into my ear. For the first time, I start thinking logically: Do I pull and leave bootcamp after 2 approaches or do I throw away a perfectly good bang session.
My girl swivels to her knees and bites my dick over my jeans. I’m shocked, a little embarrassed, and completely turned-on. She wants to leave. I tell her I need to spend time with Jeff. But it’s me and her tonight. I’ll find her later. She asks me again if I’m sure I’m not gay. I’m sure. I’ll find her later. Me and her. Tonight. We go our separate ways.
When I return to Jeffy, he says, “That’s like when you’re playing pool and you’re breaking but you accidentally hit the ball in. Nice.”
While I was dancing and making out, I didn't realize the club had filled up. Cuties were swarming everywhere. I don't even remember how many girls I opened, but I do remember how many blew me out: 0. At one point, I realized I lost one of my peacocky silver rings and was opening girls with, "Find my ring for me." They obeyed, getting on their hands and knees, but the ring was lost. Oh well, I guess it's symbolic in a way.
I moved through the crowd like a trail of ignited gasoline. Whatever I did, wherever I went a party ensued. I wasn't even opening anymore; I was PARTY STARTING. It was like the instant I faced a group of girls, they magnetized to me - even before I spoke. One particular highlight was a group of Polish girls who flocked me. As I was speaking to them, these chodes kept piping in stupid comments as the girls blocked them out. I figured they were just linger chodes and continued to make the girls shriek and giggle for my own amusement and fun. When I turned to talk to Jeffy, one of the guys tapped me. With his shoulders slouched and a sad look on his face, he mumbled, "Hey man...I just want to let you know...those are our...our girlfriends." If a white flag of defeat could make noise, this is what it would sound like.
"No problem, dude," I boomed, back-slapping him as I surveyed the room. I noticed a chode grinding my girl (blonde evening gown) from behind. I walked toward them with the same impulse I felt as a kid when I played Super Mario and I'd get star power. Sometimes, even if I were past one of those annoying duck guys, I'd still turn Mario around and run him into the duck for the simple reason that I could and it's funny. I decided to ruin this chode's little grind-fest for the simple reason that I could and it seemed funny.
Without saying a word, I walked up to my girl, smiled, and commenced tongue down. Instant chode vaporization. We reconvened with inappropriate and salacious acts on the dance floor. Biting and hair pulling deluxe. Genital stimulation times. A boner for me and a doggy dinner bowl for the lady.
I didn't know what to do, so I went to look for Jeffy. I felt someone grab me from behind and say, "Look. One take-away, you're fine. Two take-aways, you're pushing it. Three take-aways and you're done. This is the second take-away you've done with this chick. One more and it's over."
I turned around and saw a concerned Jeffy. He continued, "You have to pull this girl. Now."
"But..." I stammered. "But...bootcamp just started. I don't want to leave yet. Can I pull her and come back?"
"I didn't say you had to leave. I said you have to pull her."
"How...am I...going to pull her...but not leave..."
I realized the answer simultaneously as Jeffy said, "Bathroom." He seemed to notice my concern and assured me, "If we get kicked out, we'll go somewhere else. Take her to the upstairs bathroom where no one will see. Do it! PULL!"
I've just recently got used to SNLs and feeling comfortable pulling girls out of clubs, so pulling a chick into a bathroom was not only out of my comfort zone, it was out of my reality. But this is why I came on bootcamp. \This is why I was born with a dick.
"Come on," I said, grabbing my girl by the hand. "I want to show you something upstairs."
"I can't," my girl said, "I don't want to leave my friends."
"Yeah," I said then initiated a passionate tongue down. "This is really important. We have to see this magical upstairs area. It transcends glorious...COME!" Hard hand pull and she's giggling and walking up the stairs with me.
When we get up stairs, I walk past the bar toward the hallway with the bathrooms and say, "Oh wow, we gotta check this out. Interesting..."
"Wait, this is just the -" Boom. Push her against the wall, hardcore tongue down. I pull back, checking for compliance. She's smiling seductively.
"Come," I say and try to pull her into the men's room.
"Nooooooooooooooo," she laughs. "I'm not going in the men's room with you!"
"Yeah," I kiss her. "Okay."
We do inappropriate and salacious acts outside the bathroom for about 10 minutes. She does her little swivel down cock-bite move again. Delicious. As I go to lick her neck, I notice a shimmering silhouette standing crossed-armed in the doorframe. Rays of holy light are shinning from his short, golden beard and mullet. I know what I have to do.
"Come," pull toward bathroom.
"Noooooo."
"Okay," more inappropriate and salacious acts.
Five minutes later: "Come," pull toward bathroom.
"Noooooo."
"Okay," more inappropriate and salacious acts.
Ten minutes later: "Come," pull toward bathroom.
BOOM. Pull to the bathroom. Lock the stall. Glorious, X-Rated times.
Photo credit: Jlaix
Photographer's note: from iphone... the blurry one is you right before you pulled her into the bathroom.
We finish up. She leaves shortly after.
I find Jeff and inform him he's now 27/36. After a laugh and gentleman's high five, he sends me upstairs for more glory.
I bust into the first set I see - two girls - and immediately throw them both in freeze frame. One of the girls actually says, "WOW! You make a GREAT first impression!" (total chodette compliment) As I'm booming self-amusement and spitting nonsense, some chode scampers up and says, "Ohhhh...look at out for this guy. He's a PLAYA. Aren't you the guy who was just hooking up with some girl IN THE BATHROOM???"
Back home, I might've ignored this dude or used some elaborate AMOG tactic, but, to be honest, it just seemed vaguely funny and distant to me. My response was simply, "Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...Yeah, that was totally me. Anyway..."
Before I could start talking, the guy started in with the logical questions again: "Why were you doing that? Why do you bring girls in the bathroom? Where are you from that you think this is okay? Who are you here with? Why don't you go find them and leave us alone? This is a private party. Why don't you leave. We don't like playas."
Again, it reminded me of that Edward Norton monologue from Fight Club where he talks about everything seeming distant with the volume turned down after you've experienced fight club. The same holds true with nimbus: the guy was awkward and embarrassing but seemed small and completely non-threatening. So I laughed again, "Hahahahahahahaha...dude, you're funny, man. I want to bring you back home with me. I'll pack you in my suitcase."
"Oh? Are you from the state or the city? Why did you come here? What are you doing here? What -"
"Ah dude," I blurted. "You're like Inspector Gadget with the questions! Just chill out, this is the club! HAVE FUN!"
Eventually the guy chodes off into the night. I talk to some more babes and find Jeffy. Time to venue change. Time to shift into full creep-mode. The King Leer in me curls his tongue and sneers: "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh!"
Out on the street Jeffy gives us new objectives. He grabs me and says, "You're going to push it in this club. You don't give a fuck and it's palpable. I can smell it on you. We're gonna do some Wiredrawn-type shit. You open, you isolate as soon as possible, and you go for the makeout." Full nimbus!
When we get inside, I open some throw-away sets before finding a girl who interests me: A tan cutie who probably works as an accountant or a similar office-related capacity. She's yapping with some rotund fatty. Time for glory.
"AWESOME!" I say, getting the girls' attention. "Aweeeeeeee-sommmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!" (My contribution to 'the community' will be my "Awesome Plowing" opener. It involves screaming "AWESOME" at varying cadences until calibrated to reflect your inner-awesome state.)
My tan cutie responds with: "AWESOME!!!!!" Yeah! It's on. I drop my Midas Touch of Fuck on her and tell fatty tan cutie's my new girlfriend. Fatty is flabbergasted. Jeffy comes in to wing me. I pull tan cutie away and parade her around the venue. Fatty is still flabbergasted. Some chode tries to pull tan cutie away from me. But the Midas Touch of Fuck is too strong. Chode removes his hand like it’s been seared on a hot stove.
I take tan cutie to what Jeffy told us is 'the makeout spot'. I go for the tongue down. Tan cutie scolds me: "You don't try to kiss a girl after knowing her for five minutes!"
My reply was simple: "Yes you do."
She laughs and says, "Wow! You're very aggressive...and I like it!" That confirmed and articulated everything I've learned over the course of the evening.
"Cool," I smile, go for the tongue down again and get it. We start moving into a Stage 3 tongue down. Boners away!
Suddenly a hotel chode rolls up and scolds us. He tells us we can't do that and we can't linger in 'the makeout spot'. We find a bed-like thing in the lobby and have a love-struck conversation. We call each other on our cell phones and talk. We figure out the names we will give our children. I go for the makeout, but she turns her head. Hotel chode made her uncomfortable. I plow, go for the makeout a second time.
"Why are you so impatient," tan cutie inquires. "I'm going to fuck you later. Just wait, I'm going to jump you once we're alone."
Epiphany-town. I've never had a girl so matter-of-factly tell me 'we're having sex'. It was almost as if she was annoyed she had to state it out loud, as if this was all implicit and understood by both of us. This is what sex-worthiness looks like. It looks gloriouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus.
Then disaster struck. Suddenly Fatty from Hell appears in all her rotund misery.
"Your friend Jeff is a liar," she informs me. "I don't like him."
I laugh because this so hilariously laughable.
"I'm a total bitch," she continues. "And I don't like you, either. I'm also a cockblock."
I laugh, but I also sort of want to punch this girl in the face. As if she senses this, she pulls a wad of gum from her mouth and hovers it over my cowboy boots. She starts laughing and says she's going to squish it on my leather boots.
"What the fuck is your problem?" I yell. "Why the fuck are you acting like this?"
"I'm a total bitch," she repeats. I realize, even based on this short interaction, this girl has cracked my top ten list of 'The Most Miserable and Abominable People I've Ever Met'.
I try to ignore her as if she were an AMOG but she keeps grabbing my girl and saying dumb shit like reminding her she's driving her home tonight so she can't go home with me. Then the two of them start doing weird secret girl hand motions, so I get up to leave. Fuck this shit. My girl grabs me and apologizes, asks me to hold on a second. A second becomes five minutes. I'm sitting there like a tool.
Finally I’ve had enough: “Look. Come to my hotel room now. Or I’m going to find my friends.”
“Maybe,” my tan cutie says with a coy smile.
“Cut the maybe bullshit. Yes or no.”
“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!” fatty screams. I’ve had enough; I tell tan cutie it was pleasure meeting her. Maybe I’ll text her later. I have to physically restrain myself from slugging fatty.
The rest of the night featured more tongue downs and glory, but nothing very educational so not worth mentioning. Ultimately, we ended up at a diner to debrief and end the most insanely awesome – aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-someeeee!!! – night of my life.
Original Link: http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12420
-------------- By JUDGE
“This isn’t summer camp to pickup girls,” Jeffy said as candlelight flicked over the blonde curls of his mullet. “This is BOOTCAMP.”
His voice pounded me with a sense of finality. Bootcamp had begun. The chode could no longer hide. Until that moment, everything still seemed like Summer Camp to Pickup Girls. Flying across the country, checking in to my hilariously bad hotel, walking the mean urban streets to the lounge, meeting the other students all seemed fun and summery. Even when Jeffy walked in, dressed in his blue non-woo button down, bootcamp still seemed like a point on a future timeline, an unreality.
“Fucking bootcamp,” Jeffy repeated, then reclined in the tanned leather armchair, letting the moment expand and electrify. I sipped my Corona and felt the sour bite of lime on my tongue. I tasted the air of the shadowy lounge. Candlelight danced over the dark, wooden room as the first crackles of nimbus surged through my body.
Jeffy leaned forward, began explaining what he expected of us as students, as men. He could only bring 7 out of 10 to this bootcamp. If we wanted a 10 out of 10 experience, we were responsible for our weekend, for our success, for our fate. The words Jeffy spoke were like electrons charging a capacitor. I felt like that green dude from Street Fighter who shoots electricity. I felt prepared for unbridled glory.
“There’s a cougarish two set behind us,” Jeffy whispered. I was already standing by the time he said to get up and approach.
Leering over the women and interrupting their conversation, I introduced myself. One giggled, shook my hand and told me her name. When I turned to the other, offering my hand, all I got in return was a scowl as my hand hung, unshook.
“Soooo…,” I continued, turning to the warm girl and began spitting nonsense. She giggled and matched my masculine nonsense with her feminine nonsense. It was on. However, the non-glorious, scowling friend kept interjecting with comments intended to offend and deter me. But it all seemed vaguely humorous and irrelevant. All that mattered was the moment and the feeling. The dawn of nimbus.
“How do you two know each other?” I asked out of habit.
“Friends,” my warm, nonsensical feminine girl perked. “How do you know those guys?” she parroted, pointing to our table, shimmering in the glory of Jeffy and my recently knighted brothers-in-arms.
When I recited the answer Jeffy wanted us to tell when asked this question, bootcamp would get kicked up a gear.
“Actually, this is a bachelor party. Our friend Jeff is the groom-to-be and we’re hunting for his wife. Tonight. At the bar. Once we find her, we’re all flying to Vegas so they can get married, then divorced. This is all so Jeff can change his Facebook status to ‘divorced’.”
Quick Zack Morris timeout. I am going to interrupt this epic bootcamp retelling to call attention to the absolute absurdity of the above paragraph. I hope the utter ridiculousness of employing one of the most sanctimonious and costly social institutions to authenticate the frivolity of a “relationship status” on a social networking internet site deviates enough from the average reader’s reality that you LOL’d or, at the very least, WTF’d at the abovementioned response.
Well, this was not the case for drunk ex-strippers.
Suddenly the previously cold girl came alive and leaned over the table, touching my arm.
“Wait, you guys are having a bachelor party? Do you guys have strippers?”
“Ehhh…no. Well, I mean maybe, if Jeff ends up meeting one at the bar and marrying her…”
“I don’t have my heels with me, but I have my iPod!” cold woman exclaimed. “I used to strip…I’ll give you guys a discount!”
“Umm…yeah, I think we’re all set.”
“No! You guys need a stripper! I will work your friend sooo hard!”
“Hmmmm…interesting. Well, maybe we can all meet up at the club later or –”
“No!” ex-stripper informed me. “We’re not meeting at the club! Wait, do you guys have a hotel room? We can do it there. It’ll only take a half-hour!”
“Yeah, I should probably get back to my friends…”
“Wait,” my warm girl chimed in, “I’LL meet you guys at the club. Give me your number!”
“Okay,” I said, programmed my number into her phone, and walked back to our table.
Smiling, Jeff congratulated me on a solid open. Not wanting to wreck the moment, I neglected to tell him about the whole stripper thing, figuring it was irrelevant.
Jeff got back to detailing how the night would unfold. After about 10 minutes, I felt a sharp tap on my shoulder.
“I want to see TJ,” I heard my name, spoken with unswerving certainty by the venomous lips of ex-stripper.
“Ummm…okay,” I said, getting up as if in reaction. Like Tyler said in Blueprint, the weight of a hot girl’s beliefs can seem very heavy.
Hilariously, as she led me like a prisoner back to her table, I heard Jeffy cackle and shout: “Pft! See, if she tried that shit on me, I would’ve been like, NO!”
The ex-stripper sat me in a chair and leaned forward like an interrogator with a spotlight in my face.
“Why don’t you have a stripper?”
“Ehhh…”
“You guys need a stripper. I’m going to strip for you. I’m even going to give you a discount.”
I felt the statements cut through me like gamma rays. She seemed so sure of what she was saying. She seemed so determined to melt me into a puddle of man-mush. This was a woman used to getting her way, used to destroying chody men. My nimbus wasn’t yet strong enough to repel her, I could only repeat: “You should really talk to Jeff.”
“Why should I talk to Jeff?” she snorted.
“Because…he makes the decisions.”
A smile crept over her face. In the candlelight, she looked like an evil temptress, like a sexy comic book villainess who delightedly minces men to their death.
“Yes,” she cooed, “I’ll talk to JEFF.” She spoke his name with oozing contempt. “You just watch! I’ll work your friend JEFF.” At that, she stood up and pranced over to our table.
“Which one’s JEFF?” she demanded.
Jeffy looked riotously ironic: slumped in the tanned leather armchair he half-heartedly raised his hand.
“SO!” the ex-stripper boomed. “It’s your bachelor party? You’re looking to have some FUN?”
“If by fun,” Jeffy grinned, “you mean fucking sluts in the ass than yes.”
The room exploded. The stripper hit Jeff with congruence test after shit test after chode destroyer and Jeff just kept coming back with better and better responses. In the course of 5 minutes, I watched Jeff push her off his lap, stick his hands down her pants (asking if her pockets were “girl pockets”), rub his face in her tits and ask “Mommy?”, tell her he was going to “purchase for her one fine bottle of red wine, and, perhaps some cheese”, all while not flinching a bit and completely owning the frame. I saw mastery firsthand. I saw sex-worthiness. And it looked gloriouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus.
Eventually we left the lounge, finishing the seminar portion in a hotel room, and then hit the club.
Even though Jeff said just to be friendly, I was ready to explode in the club. I promised myself when I walked through the door, I’d hit the first set in sight like a fucking jackhammer.
The door opened…and…there were only three dudes at the bar and a table with (what we’d later find out were) two transsexuals. Non-glory times.
I ordered a beer and talked to Jeff as more people wandered in. At the time, my thought cycle kept repeating: You’re on bootcamp > You should be in set > You’re choding just talking to Jeff. However, in retrospect, relaxing and settling into the environment calmed my nerves, and, by talking to Jeff, I tuned in to his rhythm and presence, which dialed up my nimbus to state deluxe.
After about 20 minutes, Jeff looked at me, smiling. “Look. There’s a table of people in the back,” he pointed. “Just roll up, be friendly, try to start the party, and I’ll come wing you in a minute.”
“Yes!” I clapped my hands. “Awesome!” I spun and did a strut across the club.
If I could distill and bottle what I experienced for the 10 seconds I moved across the club, I’d have the elusive magic bullet elixir that could get anyone laid. Literally, my skin was surging with electric current; my eyes could silence throbbing music and freeze motion; my voice boomed from a drum in my stomach; the most powerful and primitive aphrodisiac radiated from every pore: NIMBUS. I was no longer under a jurisdiction dictated by the laws of science: my steps were light and ethereal, exempt from the tax of gravity; my brain rearranged the chemistry of my neurotransmitters so that every signaling molecule sang a war anthem of triumph; my biological body transcended its cells and organs and bones to become pure energy, a cloud of party.
I thought I had felt “the nimbus” before. I thought the on nights where everything out of my mouth was gold or I picked up some bitchy model or got a 30-second tongue down were “nimbus nights”. When I tried to explain this to Jeffy later, he perfectly articulated true nimbus, clarifying: “It’s like someone who snorts coke. No one who snorts coke for the first time says, ‘Hmmmm, I think I may be high.’ No! that mother fucker KNOWS he’s high cause he’s like wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!’”
To get all nerd and analytical about it, I realized nimbus (for me) is three equal parts: 1.) the woooo, 2.) core confidence, and 3.) 100 percent belief.
Back home, I had the woooo, I’d cultivated the core confidence, but my belief still wasn’t 100 percent. Perhaps I’d thought it was 100 percent, but I realized, as I walked across that club, that 100 percent belief is walking up to a large seated mixed set knowing they were either going to have to accept me as their leader or physically relocate their party. There was no way I was going to slink away a chody failure in front of Jeffy.
Closing in, I started clapping my hands. A toothy smile exploded on my face. I walked up to the harbingers of the group and shouted, “AWESOME!”
Everyone stopped and looked at me, amazed. Nimbus doesn’t put people in spectator mode; it puts them in freeze frame. I repeated “Aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-someeeeeeeeeeee” until the hottest girl in the group jumped up and shrieked.
She ran up to me like a star-struck groupy. She was hot: blonde, skinny, huge tits, sparkly evening gown deluxe.
“Are you gay?” she chirped, “Are you gay?”
“Am….I….gay?” I repeated in mockery. “Worst. Pickup line. Ever. Get over here.” Boom. Claw. Actually, no. To label the clamp I put on this chickity’s shoulder a ‘claw’ is utterly misleading. The nimbus upgraded the civilian’s claw to The Embrace of Destiny, to The Midas Touch of Fuck.
I walked her away from her friends, talking simply for the sake of feeling the crackling energy of my voice. I paraded her to the dance floor. Pelvic grind times. I asked her name. She responded, “Does it even matter?” We start making out. Boner-inducing tongue down (or, according to the Jeffy Kiss Scale, a ‘Stage 3’).
As we’re making out, I hear Jeffy cackling. I see him trying to snap a picture. In between makeouts, my girl is whispering erotic nothings into my ear. For the first time, I start thinking logically: Do I pull and leave bootcamp after 2 approaches or do I throw away a perfectly good bang session.
My girl swivels to her knees and bites my dick over my jeans. I’m shocked, a little embarrassed, and completely turned-on. She wants to leave. I tell her I need to spend time with Jeff. But it’s me and her tonight. I’ll find her later. She asks me again if I’m sure I’m not gay. I’m sure. I’ll find her later. Me and her. Tonight. We go our separate ways.
When I return to Jeffy, he says, “That’s like when you’re playing pool and you’re breaking but you accidentally hit the ball in. Nice.”
While I was dancing and making out, I didn't realize the club had filled up. Cuties were swarming everywhere. I don't even remember how many girls I opened, but I do remember how many blew me out: 0. At one point, I realized I lost one of my peacocky silver rings and was opening girls with, "Find my ring for me." They obeyed, getting on their hands and knees, but the ring was lost. Oh well, I guess it's symbolic in a way.
I moved through the crowd like a trail of ignited gasoline. Whatever I did, wherever I went a party ensued. I wasn't even opening anymore; I was PARTY STARTING. It was like the instant I faced a group of girls, they magnetized to me - even before I spoke. One particular highlight was a group of Polish girls who flocked me. As I was speaking to them, these chodes kept piping in stupid comments as the girls blocked them out. I figured they were just linger chodes and continued to make the girls shriek and giggle for my own amusement and fun. When I turned to talk to Jeffy, one of the guys tapped me. With his shoulders slouched and a sad look on his face, he mumbled, "Hey man...I just want to let you know...those are our...our girlfriends." If a white flag of defeat could make noise, this is what it would sound like.
"No problem, dude," I boomed, back-slapping him as I surveyed the room. I noticed a chode grinding my girl (blonde evening gown) from behind. I walked toward them with the same impulse I felt as a kid when I played Super Mario and I'd get star power. Sometimes, even if I were past one of those annoying duck guys, I'd still turn Mario around and run him into the duck for the simple reason that I could and it's funny. I decided to ruin this chode's little grind-fest for the simple reason that I could and it seemed funny.
Without saying a word, I walked up to my girl, smiled, and commenced tongue down. Instant chode vaporization. We reconvened with inappropriate and salacious acts on the dance floor. Biting and hair pulling deluxe. Genital stimulation times. A boner for me and a doggy dinner bowl for the lady.
I didn't know what to do, so I went to look for Jeffy. I felt someone grab me from behind and say, "Look. One take-away, you're fine. Two take-aways, you're pushing it. Three take-aways and you're done. This is the second take-away you've done with this chick. One more and it's over."
I turned around and saw a concerned Jeffy. He continued, "You have to pull this girl. Now."
"But..." I stammered. "But...bootcamp just started. I don't want to leave yet. Can I pull her and come back?"
"I didn't say you had to leave. I said you have to pull her."
"How...am I...going to pull her...but not leave..."
I realized the answer simultaneously as Jeffy said, "Bathroom." He seemed to notice my concern and assured me, "If we get kicked out, we'll go somewhere else. Take her to the upstairs bathroom where no one will see. Do it! PULL!"
I've just recently got used to SNLs and feeling comfortable pulling girls out of clubs, so pulling a chick into a bathroom was not only out of my comfort zone, it was out of my reality. But this is why I came on bootcamp. \This is why I was born with a dick.
"Come on," I said, grabbing my girl by the hand. "I want to show you something upstairs."
"I can't," my girl said, "I don't want to leave my friends."
"Yeah," I said then initiated a passionate tongue down. "This is really important. We have to see this magical upstairs area. It transcends glorious...COME!" Hard hand pull and she's giggling and walking up the stairs with me.
When we get up stairs, I walk past the bar toward the hallway with the bathrooms and say, "Oh wow, we gotta check this out. Interesting..."
"Wait, this is just the -" Boom. Push her against the wall, hardcore tongue down. I pull back, checking for compliance. She's smiling seductively.
"Come," I say and try to pull her into the men's room.
"Nooooooooooooooo," she laughs. "I'm not going in the men's room with you!"
"Yeah," I kiss her. "Okay."
We do inappropriate and salacious acts outside the bathroom for about 10 minutes. She does her little swivel down cock-bite move again. Delicious. As I go to lick her neck, I notice a shimmering silhouette standing crossed-armed in the doorframe. Rays of holy light are shinning from his short, golden beard and mullet. I know what I have to do.
"Come," pull toward bathroom.
"Noooooo."
"Okay," more inappropriate and salacious acts.
Five minutes later: "Come," pull toward bathroom.
"Noooooo."
"Okay," more inappropriate and salacious acts.
Ten minutes later: "Come," pull toward bathroom.
BOOM. Pull to the bathroom. Lock the stall. Glorious, X-Rated times.
Photo credit: Jlaix
Photographer's note: from iphone... the blurry one is you right before you pulled her into the bathroom.
We finish up. She leaves shortly after.
I find Jeff and inform him he's now 27/36. After a laugh and gentleman's high five, he sends me upstairs for more glory.
I bust into the first set I see - two girls - and immediately throw them both in freeze frame. One of the girls actually says, "WOW! You make a GREAT first impression!" (total chodette compliment) As I'm booming self-amusement and spitting nonsense, some chode scampers up and says, "Ohhhh...look at out for this guy. He's a PLAYA. Aren't you the guy who was just hooking up with some girl IN THE BATHROOM???"
Back home, I might've ignored this dude or used some elaborate AMOG tactic, but, to be honest, it just seemed vaguely funny and distant to me. My response was simply, "Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...Yeah, that was totally me. Anyway..."
Before I could start talking, the guy started in with the logical questions again: "Why were you doing that? Why do you bring girls in the bathroom? Where are you from that you think this is okay? Who are you here with? Why don't you go find them and leave us alone? This is a private party. Why don't you leave. We don't like playas."
Again, it reminded me of that Edward Norton monologue from Fight Club where he talks about everything seeming distant with the volume turned down after you've experienced fight club. The same holds true with nimbus: the guy was awkward and embarrassing but seemed small and completely non-threatening. So I laughed again, "Hahahahahahahaha...dude, you're funny, man. I want to bring you back home with me. I'll pack you in my suitcase."
"Oh? Are you from the state or the city? Why did you come here? What are you doing here? What -"
"Ah dude," I blurted. "You're like Inspector Gadget with the questions! Just chill out, this is the club! HAVE FUN!"
Eventually the guy chodes off into the night. I talk to some more babes and find Jeffy. Time to venue change. Time to shift into full creep-mode. The King Leer in me curls his tongue and sneers: "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh!"
Out on the street Jeffy gives us new objectives. He grabs me and says, "You're going to push it in this club. You don't give a fuck and it's palpable. I can smell it on you. We're gonna do some Wiredrawn-type shit. You open, you isolate as soon as possible, and you go for the makeout." Full nimbus!
When we get inside, I open some throw-away sets before finding a girl who interests me: A tan cutie who probably works as an accountant or a similar office-related capacity. She's yapping with some rotund fatty. Time for glory.
"AWESOME!" I say, getting the girls' attention. "Aweeeeeeee-sommmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!" (My contribution to 'the community' will be my "Awesome Plowing" opener. It involves screaming "AWESOME" at varying cadences until calibrated to reflect your inner-awesome state.)
My tan cutie responds with: "AWESOME!!!!!" Yeah! It's on. I drop my Midas Touch of Fuck on her and tell fatty tan cutie's my new girlfriend. Fatty is flabbergasted. Jeffy comes in to wing me. I pull tan cutie away and parade her around the venue. Fatty is still flabbergasted. Some chode tries to pull tan cutie away from me. But the Midas Touch of Fuck is too strong. Chode removes his hand like it’s been seared on a hot stove.
I take tan cutie to what Jeffy told us is 'the makeout spot'. I go for the tongue down. Tan cutie scolds me: "You don't try to kiss a girl after knowing her for five minutes!"
My reply was simple: "Yes you do."
She laughs and says, "Wow! You're very aggressive...and I like it!" That confirmed and articulated everything I've learned over the course of the evening.
"Cool," I smile, go for the tongue down again and get it. We start moving into a Stage 3 tongue down. Boners away!
Suddenly a hotel chode rolls up and scolds us. He tells us we can't do that and we can't linger in 'the makeout spot'. We find a bed-like thing in the lobby and have a love-struck conversation. We call each other on our cell phones and talk. We figure out the names we will give our children. I go for the makeout, but she turns her head. Hotel chode made her uncomfortable. I plow, go for the makeout a second time.
"Why are you so impatient," tan cutie inquires. "I'm going to fuck you later. Just wait, I'm going to jump you once we're alone."
Epiphany-town. I've never had a girl so matter-of-factly tell me 'we're having sex'. It was almost as if she was annoyed she had to state it out loud, as if this was all implicit and understood by both of us. This is what sex-worthiness looks like. It looks gloriouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus.
Then disaster struck. Suddenly Fatty from Hell appears in all her rotund misery.
"Your friend Jeff is a liar," she informs me. "I don't like him."
I laugh because this so hilariously laughable.
"I'm a total bitch," she continues. "And I don't like you, either. I'm also a cockblock."
I laugh, but I also sort of want to punch this girl in the face. As if she senses this, she pulls a wad of gum from her mouth and hovers it over my cowboy boots. She starts laughing and says she's going to squish it on my leather boots.
"What the fuck is your problem?" I yell. "Why the fuck are you acting like this?"
"I'm a total bitch," she repeats. I realize, even based on this short interaction, this girl has cracked my top ten list of 'The Most Miserable and Abominable People I've Ever Met'.
I try to ignore her as if she were an AMOG but she keeps grabbing my girl and saying dumb shit like reminding her she's driving her home tonight so she can't go home with me. Then the two of them start doing weird secret girl hand motions, so I get up to leave. Fuck this shit. My girl grabs me and apologizes, asks me to hold on a second. A second becomes five minutes. I'm sitting there like a tool.
Finally I’ve had enough: “Look. Come to my hotel room now. Or I’m going to find my friends.”
“Maybe,” my tan cutie says with a coy smile.
“Cut the maybe bullshit. Yes or no.”
“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!” fatty screams. I’ve had enough; I tell tan cutie it was pleasure meeting her. Maybe I’ll text her later. I have to physically restrain myself from slugging fatty.
The rest of the night featured more tongue downs and glory, but nothing very educational so not worth mentioning. Ultimately, we ended up at a diner to debrief and end the most insanely awesome – aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-someeeee!!! – night of my life.
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