Wow, it's already March? The year is going too fast. So, yeah as the title says above.. going through a dilemma with HBK.
She wants to have a 'talk'. I asked her a talk about what..?
She said she wanted to tell me her feelings.. she had thought hard and finally had an answer.
HBK: "Remember how I told you I needed time to think? Well now I'm done thinking and want to talk to you."
Cloud: (Fuck. WTF is up? I think to myself) "Can't you just tell me what it is online?"
HBK: "No, I don't want to be rude... you have to meet me in person. I want to tell you face to face."
I give her some silence, which makes her start pleading more.. "please, just meet with me, I don't want to say it over the internet".
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So I'm thinking, she wants to call it off. Why?
Maybe she thinks of herself as better than me? Remember all the shit tests she gave me before? "You'll never get me.. a lot of guys want me."
Maybe I was needy? I haven't really talked to her much, except give her playful texts every now and then. She didn't really start conversations with me though; I had to always initiate everything. I have sorta spoiled her a little - I bought the mood ring for her, and of course paid for meals, and then I picked her up some bracelets from Little India (didn't cost me much).
I could be totally off though.. but why would she say stuff like she doesn't want to be rude? Here is some backstory to help...
Tuesday 2-23-10
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Went to In & Out, had good dinner, made out near the pool for 20 min. Could have had an LR, but couldn't pull to my room.. a lot of resistance. Try to invite her out for weekend to see movie, but she has plans already.
Wed-Sat (Last week of Feb)
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We don't really talk.. I send her a couple 'pun' jokes through text, cause she loves that stuff. She send back jokes on her own. Nothing serious.
Sunday
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I text her on Sunday to hang out. She was with her friends at the time, and asked if they could come by too. She tells me she didn't really end up going to Catalina Island like she had planned. Anyway, she does want to hang out but she wants to also show her friends the view from my area, as well as introduce them to me. I felt like logistically it sucked for me cause I would have to pick them up and drop them off again -- no LR for me. But if I was patient and impressed her friends, maybe the added social proof could work out in my favor.
I did impress the friends, and we had a general good time. I also made sure to kino HBK throughout..giving her small hugs, or back massages. She was a bit resistant, but at some moments she actually seemed to enjoy it and let me continue -- esp the massage. Her friends did know I was 'seeing her' and asked me if I wanted to take photos with her, which I did a little. I tried to not dominate the outing with friends, because I didn't want HBK to feel embarrased about bringing me out.
I gave HBK the present I picked up in Little India, and she showed it to her friends saying it was beautiful... but I wonder now, was that the kicker? Her friends thought I was super cool.. but maybe she did end up feeling embarassed?
Yesterday
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I texted her.. with a kiss face. She sent back the 'let's talk' text. Then it escalated online.. I tried to find out what she wanted to say to me by ignoring her. She got worried so she typed more. She said she didn't want to be rude and just wanted to clear things up. She had thought a lot.. and wanted me to meet her face-to-face. Finally after her almost begging, "please meet me..", I decided I'd meet her on Wednesday.
Today
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Here is what I'm thinking. Should I dump this girl before she 'dumps' me?
Most of Casanova Crew told me that this girl is too much work, and there's better out there. I sorta agree. If I dump her first, I don't have to go through the whole drama of seeing her and being 'friend zoned'.
I can just break up via text.
It would go something like:
"You know what, I don't think we need to meet up. I'm breaking up with you first. See ya."
Clean and simple right?
The strategy is to make her feel low value first. If I say I'm breaking up with her, she's no longer cool for me to hang out with.. then she feels like she's the one who needs to prove herself. If she really liked me, she'll try hard to win me back at least as a friend. As long as she chases me like this, I can go about hooking up with other girls; and her feeling will finally intensify until I have a good enough chance to lay her.
If I do the nice guy approach where I just see her...I'm almost 90% sure I'll get the "I like you but just as a friend" speech. Why do I need to go through that drama?
You guys might say, oh.. well just try to reframe at that moment and win her over, then fuck her.
I could try ... It's just not so simple. First, we're meeting at school. I have to game her back to my place when she's in her highest logical mood..and I already asked her if she wanted to meet at my place instead.. to which she said.. "no, it'll only take a few min.. let's meet at school". I have a LOT of shit tests to battle my way through.. for what may not be worth it.
If I do get LJBF'd, I could also not care, go to Starbucks or Ext Center, game some other chick and have a good night if I wanted as well.
Or am I totally misreading it? Who knows... why is gaming so fucking hard some times? I hear all these voices in my head saying stuff like "I should have laid her when I had the chance.."; "stop being so 'needy', etc. I just want to shut all those voices out... fuck; it's just making my state worse. If I'm in a lousy state, I'm sure to fuck up even more. So, just want to think clear at the moment.
I've posted this question to CC. Let's see what they give as far as advice. If anything though, it's good I'm at this point, 'cause breaking up is also part of learning too.
- Cloud
Tuesday, March 2, 2010
Sunday, February 28, 2010
Logistics Game - Thoughts 2-28-10
I just scratched out some thoughts here... trying to think out how to get to end-goal faster; how to get more numbers, and close faster.. let's see if this works for me. My goal is to get more girls in my life faster.. with more lays without wasting lots of time just sarging and going home empty. Good logistics = good game.
day game - grocery store, starbucks, mall, gym
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- open with horse girl or u remind me of a girl that i once knew (cred usher and it works really awesome - tested like 5x), nice guy rtn also works
- soi really quickly &/ be interesting
- try to get # close or bounce
* can't really makeout or sexually escalate
party with social friends
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- introduce selves
- talk, be funny
- try to move to play some sexual game (truth/dare)
- isolate and k-close
- number close and get d2
at the extension center
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- open with something funny, can be direct or just be nice guy
- talk
- try to get # close or bounce
- easier to get d2 with foreign students
college game - at school activity club
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- play nice guy routine
- talk
- play some game together
- # close for d2/maybe k-close if isolate well
at the club/house party
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- open pretty strong (rsd, vince kel)
- be direct, sexual
- take photos together, intro to friends
- pull to dance floor
- makeout
- pull to bathroom or number close/bounce to another location depending on logistics
day 2 - aggressive
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- meet at basic location near target's place (starbucks)
- qualify her, talk.. decide if she's worth taking out on an instadate or dump her
- bounce to shop area, look at stuff, eat snacks (yogurt, etc) - pref share something
- take to my place and show view, k-close, bring to room, have sex
- get dinner
day 2 - bad logistics - like in a different city - or just being chody (Bad state)
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- meet at basic location/qualify
- bounce to mall, look at stuff, eat snacks together, photos, pull somewhere and k-close
- go to dinner, sit together
- take her to car, makeout, be sexual
- bring her home, makeout, run lots of nice guy shit/send her home
- then text for days trying to work thru any buyer's remorse/comfort
- invite to day 3 (which is day 2 aggressive)
* what if i'm picking her up from her place and i can't bring her to my place (different city)?
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- try to makeout at car, then continue escalating in car and have sex.
- pull to a isolated place, pretend like u're doing something naughty and fuck her like at a place no one's around
day game - grocery store, starbucks, mall, gym
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- open with horse girl or u remind me of a girl that i once knew (cred usher and it works really awesome - tested like 5x), nice guy rtn also works
- soi really quickly &/ be interesting
- try to get # close or bounce
* can't really makeout or sexually escalate
party with social friends
--------------------------
- introduce selves
- talk, be funny
- try to move to play some sexual game (truth/dare)
- isolate and k-close
- number close and get d2
at the extension center
-----------------------
- open with something funny, can be direct or just be nice guy
- talk
- try to get # close or bounce
- easier to get d2 with foreign students
college game - at school activity club
--------------------------------------
- play nice guy routine
- talk
- play some game together
- # close for d2/maybe k-close if isolate well
at the club/house party
-------------------------
- open pretty strong (rsd, vince kel)
- be direct, sexual
- take photos together, intro to friends
- pull to dance floor
- makeout
- pull to bathroom or number close/bounce to another location depending on logistics
day 2 - aggressive
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- meet at basic location near target's place (starbucks)
- qualify her, talk.. decide if she's worth taking out on an instadate or dump her
- bounce to shop area, look at stuff, eat snacks (yogurt, etc) - pref share something
- take to my place and show view, k-close, bring to room, have sex
- get dinner
day 2 - bad logistics - like in a different city - or just being chody (Bad state)
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- meet at basic location/qualify
- bounce to mall, look at stuff, eat snacks together, photos, pull somewhere and k-close
- go to dinner, sit together
- take her to car, makeout, be sexual
- bring her home, makeout, run lots of nice guy shit/send her home
- then text for days trying to work thru any buyer's remorse/comfort
- invite to day 3 (which is day 2 aggressive)
* what if i'm picking her up from her place and i can't bring her to my place (different city)?
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- try to makeout at car, then continue escalating in car and have sex.
- pull to a isolated place, pretend like u're doing something naughty and fuck her like at a place no one's around
Thursday, February 25, 2010
Gaming Girls at Parties Routines
The following routines have worked pretty well when I've been at parties.. remember girls are usually ADD so you have to challenge more and be more 'hands on'. You can't run nice guy from the beginning like you can in day game; you gotta be dominant.. the following stuff is a bunch of good moves I've used and seen others do in the field that tend to bring the most attraction out of girls..
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open with hi. if she's kinda weird, stack to cocky funny. if she's super cool or nice, be nice back and then be a little challenging/little cocky funny (be calibrated so u don't make her too scared off).
ask her any sort of balsy stuff u want to say.. or run any opener u like (as long as it's funny.. horse girl, i'm pregnant.. etc). u can even do situational opener and just make cocky funny observations. get her into a challenging mode.. that's the goal. then soi. u can even k-close.
ftc.
come back after a few min and just allow urself to be a little vulnerable. let her make fun of u. u can cold read her and note she's the type who's really nice inside.. just doesn't want to show it and wants to give everyone a hard time. if she's nice, u can say she's the type who's really nice outside, but inside has some dark thoughts and is a little bad from now and then. then stack to a challenging game.. like u'll get her a drink if u lose (if she's not into drinks, make up something slightly embarrassing for yourself.. not too hard for you to do, but you don't care if it happens to u), or she has to give your her number if you win (demo a bit of an SOI).
rock paper scissors, ben's mother, thumb wars..
if you win, get her number and get her the drink as a consolation prize.. (that way she doesn't feel so bad about losing). also it works out for you.. you don't want to get her number without running comfort, so take her away and get a drink together so u can run the next stuff..
if you lose, tell her u'll get her the drink or do the humiliating thing in a sec, but first stack to ..
palm reading or 'actor' routine..if she asks u your name.. i'm heath ledger; i'm brad pitt, etc.
examine their fashion.. make bold statements or something, use as excuse to start touching them, then pulling off. soi at some point.. stop the cocky funny and instead say something you like about them.. so it seems like they're beginning to earn u.
take a photo together. take several actually.. take a silly pose, then a nice pose, then mess up and take a nicer one, then show it to her. let her see the photos on ur camera or phone.
use that time to talk to her about your adventures..storytell. if interrupts come in, immediately befriend them and tell them what's going on. find out who they are.. if a bf or something, then u can decide if u wanna keep gaming or not. anyway let them hear the story too then take a pic with them too if needed. by this point, have hand around shoulder of girl, or on small of back.. but pull off whenever u feel it getting weird. tell the friend u guys are now a couple jokingly and will be back.. let her shit test u for it fun. anyway u wanna say something like that so they go away esp if they are just some other guy/not a bf.
if at any point she wants you to still get a drink or do that humiliating thing, tell her u will.. and just keep putting it off while being funny.. shit tests are iois...
pull to dance floor.. get heavy sexual right away; isolate to wall or something.. makeout
if no dance floor, or resists, ...pull her to wings to introduce to.. u can soi a bit and say.. u seem cool, i want u to meet my friends. get them to talk u up. deny everything and be mysterious.
if no wings and no dance floor.. u got bad logistics (in need of social proof). to handle this, befriend some other people beforehand, then introduce this girl to them. get them to talk u up.
go to a private place (get a room or go to couch) and continue making out if you're coming from the dance floor, then stop, hold hands.. talk comfort.. ask her number, ask her plans for the week.. work your logistic game. run nice guy routine, ask her what she does, be into her, then stack to storytelling (adding high value - dhv of astrology, etc). u can even get her the drink or do the humiliating thing. go back to making out.
if you're not coming from the dance floor, isolate the girl to a private place outside or something.. and run a k-close routine -- like tell her to close eyes and then kiss her. hold her hands then talk and go into another makeout. if she tells u to stop, just agree stop and run more comfort - astrology etc. even say cheesy stuff like oh it's love at first sight or do u believe in destiny? then makeout a few min again and take her inside. always take her inside at a high point not a low point.
go to a couch if u can and continue the makeout as above. talk your logistics out.
if she can close tonite, snl -- go to the bathroom. if she came with friends and logistics are insane, get a d2, then take her to play beer pong, grab a beer together -- share it, join some other friends, and then let her go (that way you don't seem too playerish -- establishing u are a high value guy instead).
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open with hi. if she's kinda weird, stack to cocky funny. if she's super cool or nice, be nice back and then be a little challenging/little cocky funny (be calibrated so u don't make her too scared off).
ask her any sort of balsy stuff u want to say.. or run any opener u like (as long as it's funny.. horse girl, i'm pregnant.. etc). u can even do situational opener and just make cocky funny observations. get her into a challenging mode.. that's the goal. then soi. u can even k-close.
ftc.
come back after a few min and just allow urself to be a little vulnerable. let her make fun of u. u can cold read her and note she's the type who's really nice inside.. just doesn't want to show it and wants to give everyone a hard time. if she's nice, u can say she's the type who's really nice outside, but inside has some dark thoughts and is a little bad from now and then. then stack to a challenging game.. like u'll get her a drink if u lose (if she's not into drinks, make up something slightly embarrassing for yourself.. not too hard for you to do, but you don't care if it happens to u), or she has to give your her number if you win (demo a bit of an SOI).
rock paper scissors, ben's mother, thumb wars..
if you win, get her number and get her the drink as a consolation prize.. (that way she doesn't feel so bad about losing). also it works out for you.. you don't want to get her number without running comfort, so take her away and get a drink together so u can run the next stuff..
if you lose, tell her u'll get her the drink or do the humiliating thing in a sec, but first stack to ..
palm reading or 'actor' routine..if she asks u your name.. i'm heath ledger; i'm brad pitt, etc.
examine their fashion.. make bold statements or something, use as excuse to start touching them, then pulling off. soi at some point.. stop the cocky funny and instead say something you like about them.. so it seems like they're beginning to earn u.
take a photo together. take several actually.. take a silly pose, then a nice pose, then mess up and take a nicer one, then show it to her. let her see the photos on ur camera or phone.
use that time to talk to her about your adventures..storytell. if interrupts come in, immediately befriend them and tell them what's going on. find out who they are.. if a bf or something, then u can decide if u wanna keep gaming or not. anyway let them hear the story too then take a pic with them too if needed. by this point, have hand around shoulder of girl, or on small of back.. but pull off whenever u feel it getting weird. tell the friend u guys are now a couple jokingly and will be back.. let her shit test u for it fun. anyway u wanna say something like that so they go away esp if they are just some other guy/not a bf.
if at any point she wants you to still get a drink or do that humiliating thing, tell her u will.. and just keep putting it off while being funny.. shit tests are iois...
pull to dance floor.. get heavy sexual right away; isolate to wall or something.. makeout
if no dance floor, or resists, ...pull her to wings to introduce to.. u can soi a bit and say.. u seem cool, i want u to meet my friends. get them to talk u up. deny everything and be mysterious.
if no wings and no dance floor.. u got bad logistics (in need of social proof). to handle this, befriend some other people beforehand, then introduce this girl to them. get them to talk u up.
go to a private place (get a room or go to couch) and continue making out if you're coming from the dance floor, then stop, hold hands.. talk comfort.. ask her number, ask her plans for the week.. work your logistic game. run nice guy routine, ask her what she does, be into her, then stack to storytelling (adding high value - dhv of astrology, etc). u can even get her the drink or do the humiliating thing. go back to making out.
if you're not coming from the dance floor, isolate the girl to a private place outside or something.. and run a k-close routine -- like tell her to close eyes and then kiss her. hold her hands then talk and go into another makeout. if she tells u to stop, just agree stop and run more comfort - astrology etc. even say cheesy stuff like oh it's love at first sight or do u believe in destiny? then makeout a few min again and take her inside. always take her inside at a high point not a low point.
go to a couch if u can and continue the makeout as above. talk your logistics out.
if she can close tonite, snl -- go to the bathroom. if she came with friends and logistics are insane, get a d2, then take her to play beer pong, grab a beer together -- share it, join some other friends, and then let her go (that way you don't seem too playerish -- establishing u are a high value guy instead).
FR - Japan Club Sarge 2-24-10 plus thoughts on being so called 'natural'
Hung out at UCR yesterday -- attended the Sakura Bu (Japanese club) meeting around 5:30 or so.
There was a really cute white chick .. the kind who's like really nerdy for anime and j-drama and just wants to know more.. but she was super pretty... like Amy Jo Johnson the Pink Ranger pretty.. I didn't show interest in her in the beginning, I just made an effort to talk to everyone in the group. As I talked about 'myself' and cool things I was into, she started wanting to be part of the conversation.
I came off very 'effortless'... very 'natural'. Like if there was another PUA around me, he'd probably not even notice I was a PUA.
She kept giving me those cute puppy dog eyes. Eventually after 'teasing her' enough by not being interested.. I began giving her my eye contact back. That was the first SOI on my part.
I would briefly glance, focus the conversation on her, smile.. then move back to looking at others. I probably came off really beta actually. But it was working awesome in my favor. I wasn't making any of the other alpha males feel inferior.. totally playing indirect game and DHVing while in this set.
I tried to bounce the set after hooking it... but logistically it was hard.. everyone is a student so they had homework or class after. I was suggesting we get food, but we were already in a cafeteria, so they suggested I get food for myself, and they'd wait. I asked if anyone wanted to get food with me, but they all were kinda broke.
The cute white girl agreed to stay around and wait for me, so the other guy who liked her.. also agreed to hang around. I got some pizza and came back. I continued to talk about my trips to Japan, how I got interested in Japanese, what my favorite foods are, what dramas I watch.. so many good threads which got them really talking too... the more I talked.. the more she was really interested in me and even started her kino escalation.
So I tried to ask for the close again, seeing if we could all go get some food on Saturday. But they all had plans earlier, but the white girl def wanted to do something. So after talking a little bit more on good threads, I'd leave them with a good impression of me, (leave em wanting more), and we'd make plans next week to do something. My target was a bit shocked but she said "definitely come again next week...I'll be here!"
Awesome.
Thoughts
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- A lot of these gurus in our PUA community spout the virtues of being 'natural' without using 'routines'. Sometimes when I hear them talk so hard about how they walk into a bar and don't even have to try.. I want to punch them in the face for wasting my time. All it is just them bragging.. and in some cases, you paid like $40, $50 for it.
- In order to get to that 'natural' point, you need to have a place to start from.. learning routines and understanding things like how to kiss; where to kiss; how to kino; how to sexually escalate; the importance of logistics game and how it can break or make your set; knowing text game strategies; compliance testing; frame control & battling; being cocky & funny; sparking attraction; storytelling; etc, etc -- once you understand all these pieces together, and you just practice.. you don't have to think about it as much.. you just know what to do.. and you get this mentality that you don't need to think.. you're just being yourself.
- Tonight was that kind of night for me. I didn't have to think so much, I've been in hundreds of these situations before so I was good. HBwhite and I had some really natural chemistry going on.. but it's because I did core techniques like not show interest immediately, disqualify, talk myself up, then over time give her signs of interest. It was 'effortless'... which is great for me.. I don't have to work so hard as I used to. I'm glad my game is getting to that level.
- But here's the thing. Your ego will always get in the way. No matter how good you start thinking you are.. if you aren't pushing yourself to continue breaking things down and master concepts like approaching, being a good k-closer, having better routines, mastering isolation game.. you might think you're good until you have that one set that just blows up. And you go crazy over it.. your ego shatters and guess what.. you're no longer Mr. Natural. Suddenly you find yourself back at the beginning, sucking at everything -- even approaching.
- Be a constant learner. It's okay to feel good about yourself getting good, but don't think you're done. Always push yourself to be better and learn more. Throw your ego out at different sets and let it blow up, so you can continue learning and improving. Even if you can get every woman you ever wanted, there's still hundreds of things you can apply this 'learner' type frame to.. learning to be better at business.. or learning a trade.. or learning to manage a relationship... always look for challenges and make yourself better and better. That's what makes the game so much fun and allows you as a teacher to offer your students better and better value. That's what I think will keep them coming back to learn more from you -- more so than ever being a braggart up on stage.
- Cloud
There was a really cute white chick .. the kind who's like really nerdy for anime and j-drama and just wants to know more.. but she was super pretty... like Amy Jo Johnson the Pink Ranger pretty.. I didn't show interest in her in the beginning, I just made an effort to talk to everyone in the group. As I talked about 'myself' and cool things I was into, she started wanting to be part of the conversation.
I came off very 'effortless'... very 'natural'. Like if there was another PUA around me, he'd probably not even notice I was a PUA.
She kept giving me those cute puppy dog eyes. Eventually after 'teasing her' enough by not being interested.. I began giving her my eye contact back. That was the first SOI on my part.
I would briefly glance, focus the conversation on her, smile.. then move back to looking at others. I probably came off really beta actually. But it was working awesome in my favor. I wasn't making any of the other alpha males feel inferior.. totally playing indirect game and DHVing while in this set.
I tried to bounce the set after hooking it... but logistically it was hard.. everyone is a student so they had homework or class after. I was suggesting we get food, but we were already in a cafeteria, so they suggested I get food for myself, and they'd wait. I asked if anyone wanted to get food with me, but they all were kinda broke.
The cute white girl agreed to stay around and wait for me, so the other guy who liked her.. also agreed to hang around. I got some pizza and came back. I continued to talk about my trips to Japan, how I got interested in Japanese, what my favorite foods are, what dramas I watch.. so many good threads which got them really talking too... the more I talked.. the more she was really interested in me and even started her kino escalation.
So I tried to ask for the close again, seeing if we could all go get some food on Saturday. But they all had plans earlier, but the white girl def wanted to do something. So after talking a little bit more on good threads, I'd leave them with a good impression of me, (leave em wanting more), and we'd make plans next week to do something. My target was a bit shocked but she said "definitely come again next week...I'll be here!"
Awesome.
Thoughts
=======
- A lot of these gurus in our PUA community spout the virtues of being 'natural' without using 'routines'. Sometimes when I hear them talk so hard about how they walk into a bar and don't even have to try.. I want to punch them in the face for wasting my time. All it is just them bragging.. and in some cases, you paid like $40, $50 for it.
- In order to get to that 'natural' point, you need to have a place to start from.. learning routines and understanding things like how to kiss; where to kiss; how to kino; how to sexually escalate; the importance of logistics game and how it can break or make your set; knowing text game strategies; compliance testing; frame control & battling; being cocky & funny; sparking attraction; storytelling; etc, etc -- once you understand all these pieces together, and you just practice.. you don't have to think about it as much.. you just know what to do.. and you get this mentality that you don't need to think.. you're just being yourself.
- Tonight was that kind of night for me. I didn't have to think so much, I've been in hundreds of these situations before so I was good. HBwhite and I had some really natural chemistry going on.. but it's because I did core techniques like not show interest immediately, disqualify, talk myself up, then over time give her signs of interest. It was 'effortless'... which is great for me.. I don't have to work so hard as I used to. I'm glad my game is getting to that level.
- But here's the thing. Your ego will always get in the way. No matter how good you start thinking you are.. if you aren't pushing yourself to continue breaking things down and master concepts like approaching, being a good k-closer, having better routines, mastering isolation game.. you might think you're good until you have that one set that just blows up. And you go crazy over it.. your ego shatters and guess what.. you're no longer Mr. Natural. Suddenly you find yourself back at the beginning, sucking at everything -- even approaching.
- Be a constant learner. It's okay to feel good about yourself getting good, but don't think you're done. Always push yourself to be better and learn more. Throw your ego out at different sets and let it blow up, so you can continue learning and improving. Even if you can get every woman you ever wanted, there's still hundreds of things you can apply this 'learner' type frame to.. learning to be better at business.. or learning a trade.. or learning to manage a relationship... always look for challenges and make yourself better and better. That's what makes the game so much fun and allows you as a teacher to offer your students better and better value. That's what I think will keep them coming back to learn more from you -- more so than ever being a braggart up on stage.
- Cloud
Wednesday, February 24, 2010
Bollywood Showed Us How to Handle Shit Tests
Haha, I was rewatching old hindi movie songs on Youtube and I remembered this song. I was really surprised when I saw this video.. it was like watching my date with HBK a little last nite. She was so challenging.. and so is the girl in this video... but hey man, the guy in this video handles like it a champ! Who knew you could learn from Bollywood?
The embedded video below doesn't have subtitles which is kind of a shame, but here is a link to a subtitled version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SyuCajFlBY
I suggest you see the subtitled version first, then when you get the idea down, come back and rewatch the embedded video..
Basically the point is.. "Don't worry or care about whatever shit the girl throws at you. Be unaffected and continue to plow, plow forward!" Be a champ like Shah Rukh Khan in this video! Game on!
- Cloud
The embedded video below doesn't have subtitles which is kind of a shame, but here is a link to a subtitled version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SyuCajFlBY
I suggest you see the subtitled version first, then when you get the idea down, come back and rewatch the embedded video..
Basically the point is.. "Don't worry or care about whatever shit the girl throws at you. Be unaffected and continue to plow, plow forward!" Be a champ like Shah Rukh Khan in this video! Game on!
- Cloud
Tuesday, February 23, 2010
Another day with HBK - Lovely Makeouts ^^ 2-23-10
Ah, makeouts.. so much fun.. especially long, sensuous, passionate makeouts... fuck I feel like one of those romance novel authors.. describing shit in detail.
Invited HBK for dinner at In & Out yesterday for today, cause she said she always wanted to go there. So I made it my special treat..
HBK is so hardcore ballbuster... I realized today, she is definitely a special girl to me. I've never been so shit tested hard.. She makes me work HARD to game her; I thought my game was pretty good before... fuckkk no... she makes me have to use my brain on the spot.
For example, when I picked her up, she told me I was late. I wasn't. But she insisted I was. So I told her about my text that said.. meet at 8. She tried to convince me her class was over at 7:30 and I should have been waiting for her arrival with the car ready. Then she started laughing at me and saying she was joking around. I immediately grabbed her and gave her a big hug. She started laughing and resisting again.
As we're driving to In & Out, I tell her I'll give her the scenic route this time and show her some of the cool mountains and lights (on the way to Moval from Riverside there is a really great view). She immediately says "why? don't waste my time. I want dinner. Hurry up and buy it for me." OMG.. I don't react though.. I just pretend I didn't hear it and talk about the beautiful scenery. She still tries to challenge me, but eventually I succeed in getting her to talk about school and it leads into jokes she heard from her friend.
The korean word for toilet paper is 'huji', which sounds like 'huge'. So her friend asked her.. "why is korean toilet paper huge?". Because it's "huji!!". She was so impressed at her own joke, which I thought was cute of her.. even if it was major lame. Lol..
As we see the scenery, I try to talk to her about stuff... but she's like major ADD. She doesn't really care .. instead she tries to change topics on me.. fuck a frame battle. So I have to immediately cut thread.. she tries to make me her 'english' teacher by sorta 'demanding' me to teach her proper ways to say stuff she studied in class. I play with that frame a little before I change topic on her. I keep it playful tho, not being angry or anything... just fun frame changing. It builds up good tension as I begin to quickly realize. Tension = attraction.
We get to In & Out and she starts walking ahead of me. I pull her back. (Not this time girly.. you're my date. You're walking with me I think to myself). She tries to resist a bit but I tell her playfully she's my baby.. and I'm not letting anyone else have her.
At the cash register we're ordering, and of course she expects me to pay.. which I don't care.. I'm getting a lot of experience from her anyway so it's worth it to me. As I'm ordering, she's playfully slamming her body against mine. She keeps pulling me back and forth so I can't order properly in front of the cashier. The cashier is kinda a douche though and I have to explain 3 or 4 times what our order was... and he still couldn't get it. I told him in plain english I wanted 2 hamburgers and 1 cheeseburger with fries. He acts really retarded about it. Anyway, I slap HBK on the butt playfully after the order and she jumps back but then starts laughing. We get a booth and I sit next to her..pushing her in...playfully. She resists more.. but I don't let her win.. so she gives up and starts hitting my hand. I talk comfort to her as we're sitting together.. then she lets me keep my arm around her shoulder.
Later, we get our food and of course it's wrong. HBK looks at me like WTF. She tells me to get it fixed; demand a discount. I'm like whoa.. okay princess... then I get up to do it and she says.. don't worry about it. Nevermind. (Another shit test). So I get up anyway and tell her I'll be right back. I talk to the cashier and his manager.. frame battle them and win (stupid weak humans can't compete with Xmen power ^^); get my discount.
Come back and HBK is amazed to find out I got a free hamburger on top of the discount. She looks clearly impressed. (Of course babe.. ^^).
We eat our meals and talk about stuff.. we share a chocolate shake together. I learn she's going to Catalina Island for the weekend; so I tell her about stuff to do. After the meal, I tell her I want to show her something special. We get back in the car and she keeps demanding to know what it is. She accuses me of kidnapping her, and tells me she's going to kill me if the place sucks.
I roll with the kidnapping idea and turn it into roleplay. I tell her that she's going to a meat factory, where me and my Japanese ninja friends are going to cut her to pieces and sell the meat for $2 a piece. She demands she be sold for millions of dollars. That's how valuable she sees herself as.
As we drive back to my place.. where I'm taking her (trying to f-close), she catches on, so I tell her my place is the meat factory. I tell her I'm going to drop off the fries (we didn't eat it) for my roommate, and she should come upstairs with me for a sec. So she does, but she acts kinda funny. I try to convince her to hang out for a sec, maybe sit on the couch or check out some dramas I have. She doesn't want to. She keeps pointing at her watch telling me it's late.
So after failing to show her one k-drama, I take her back outside. We go down the stairs, but she likes the view from my backyard and starts to look at it. At this point, I come from behind and just caveman hug her. I get a little bit of resistance, but I keep strong, and begin pulling her around me -- keeping good push/pull. We look at the view for a sec, then I kiss her. She looks at me stupid, so I kiss her again. Then I tell her to kiss me. She's all like "NO WAY!!" So I tell her in Korean, to kiss me. She's super suprised that I know the korean words. I still have her in my arms and we are just sorta walking around being dumb. I point out to her different sceneries in our backyard, show her the mountains, go in for the kiss again.
We walk towards my car, but then I tell her I'm kidnapping her and taking her to the 'real' meat factory where I shall cut her up into pieces. She resists, but my arms are stronger and I keep teasing. She says "why.. you ate already...?" I say, "I'm a hungry man.. I eat a lot.. that's why I have to workout so much.." "I'm not food", she says. "I like korean food.. you're korean food..mmmmmm". She starts giggling.
We make it to the pool where I tell her I'm going BBQ her korean style, but she runs ahead and jumps on the reclining beach chair and tells me to serve her wine. Like I'm some waiter.. she addresses me that way. I jump on her and she goes "owww.. you're hurting me". I go in for the deep kiss. She pushes me away, then I do it again. She responds and we go at it. Probably for like a good minute. Then she says to me as I pull away ... "don't think you've got me... many guys chase after me, don't think you're the only one".
So I start laughing and say the same thing back to her.."A lot of girls chase me.. I'm really a playboy like you said..haaha, and now I've got you..". She says "no way, you haven't gotten me.. you'll never get me." So I kiss her on the lips. Then I pull back and say "I got you". She starts saying stuff in korean.. like she's trying to make fun of me, cause I don't know korean.
But I hear some words I know, and surprise her again. Then we just talk about kpop and some things we both listen to. I have her arms in mine, better angle as we are sitting together. After a little bit of her shit tests, I go in again for another makeout. This time it's furious.. girl is freaky.. loves the tongue.
We stop, then I talk to her again about random stuff for a couple min. Then I go in again and accidently hit her teeth. She says "You suck. You're a bad kisser! LOL". I laugh it off and just talk.
A few min later I go in again. We makeout for like 4 min, and I'm going down on her neck and her boobs area. She won't let me finger her yet, but I know she's really horned up. She's pulling me hard into her. I decide to tease her a bit, for all the teasing she's done to me. I kiss, but I don't give her everything. I pull back a a little, then go hard, then pull back, then do it again. She gets frustrated but pulls me harder really trying to get the kiss. I'm like hellz yah.. work for it!! I'm able to reach down a little and finger, and I can hear her squirm a bit. But I can't pull her... she's still resisting.
I finally decide in my mind, logistically I can't take it to my room, so I'll just save game and do this another day. So I take her off me, we talk holding hands for a while, then I take her home.
Thoughts
========
- I've never been shit tested so hard by anyone. This girl definitely thinks she's super hot. So she acts like guys should treat her like a princess.
- I almost choded out and gave into her princess frame. But I knew it was bs and thanks to all the gaming I've been doing out in the field, I could break those dumb frames and just persist.
- I created my own bs on the fly, roleplayed with the meat factory thing, and just led..to a great makeout place. I also kept the date extremely sexual.. not boring friend zone conversation stuff... I made an effort to keep up the kissing and tease her when it got super hot.. so she wanted more.
- That's my goal.. make them crave the sexual excitement.. so when she hangs out with me again.. she jumps on me faster...
- Don't give up.. when you have a hard girl.. just stay true to your belief in your own game and be cool. Practice makes perfect.. now that I've gone through this, next time with the next girl will be easier! So be sure to practice!
- Cloud
Invited HBK for dinner at In & Out yesterday for today, cause she said she always wanted to go there. So I made it my special treat..
HBK is so hardcore ballbuster... I realized today, she is definitely a special girl to me. I've never been so shit tested hard.. She makes me work HARD to game her; I thought my game was pretty good before... fuckkk no... she makes me have to use my brain on the spot.
For example, when I picked her up, she told me I was late. I wasn't. But she insisted I was. So I told her about my text that said.. meet at 8. She tried to convince me her class was over at 7:30 and I should have been waiting for her arrival with the car ready. Then she started laughing at me and saying she was joking around. I immediately grabbed her and gave her a big hug. She started laughing and resisting again.
As we're driving to In & Out, I tell her I'll give her the scenic route this time and show her some of the cool mountains and lights (on the way to Moval from Riverside there is a really great view). She immediately says "why? don't waste my time. I want dinner. Hurry up and buy it for me." OMG.. I don't react though.. I just pretend I didn't hear it and talk about the beautiful scenery. She still tries to challenge me, but eventually I succeed in getting her to talk about school and it leads into jokes she heard from her friend.
The korean word for toilet paper is 'huji', which sounds like 'huge'. So her friend asked her.. "why is korean toilet paper huge?". Because it's "huji!!". She was so impressed at her own joke, which I thought was cute of her.. even if it was major lame. Lol..
As we see the scenery, I try to talk to her about stuff... but she's like major ADD. She doesn't really care .. instead she tries to change topics on me.. fuck a frame battle. So I have to immediately cut thread.. she tries to make me her 'english' teacher by sorta 'demanding' me to teach her proper ways to say stuff she studied in class. I play with that frame a little before I change topic on her. I keep it playful tho, not being angry or anything... just fun frame changing. It builds up good tension as I begin to quickly realize. Tension = attraction.
We get to In & Out and she starts walking ahead of me. I pull her back. (Not this time girly.. you're my date. You're walking with me I think to myself). She tries to resist a bit but I tell her playfully she's my baby.. and I'm not letting anyone else have her.
At the cash register we're ordering, and of course she expects me to pay.. which I don't care.. I'm getting a lot of experience from her anyway so it's worth it to me. As I'm ordering, she's playfully slamming her body against mine. She keeps pulling me back and forth so I can't order properly in front of the cashier. The cashier is kinda a douche though and I have to explain 3 or 4 times what our order was... and he still couldn't get it. I told him in plain english I wanted 2 hamburgers and 1 cheeseburger with fries. He acts really retarded about it. Anyway, I slap HBK on the butt playfully after the order and she jumps back but then starts laughing. We get a booth and I sit next to her..pushing her in...playfully. She resists more.. but I don't let her win.. so she gives up and starts hitting my hand. I talk comfort to her as we're sitting together.. then she lets me keep my arm around her shoulder.
Later, we get our food and of course it's wrong. HBK looks at me like WTF. She tells me to get it fixed; demand a discount. I'm like whoa.. okay princess... then I get up to do it and she says.. don't worry about it. Nevermind. (Another shit test). So I get up anyway and tell her I'll be right back. I talk to the cashier and his manager.. frame battle them and win (stupid weak humans can't compete with Xmen power ^^); get my discount.
Come back and HBK is amazed to find out I got a free hamburger on top of the discount. She looks clearly impressed. (Of course babe.. ^^).
We eat our meals and talk about stuff.. we share a chocolate shake together. I learn she's going to Catalina Island for the weekend; so I tell her about stuff to do. After the meal, I tell her I want to show her something special. We get back in the car and she keeps demanding to know what it is. She accuses me of kidnapping her, and tells me she's going to kill me if the place sucks.
I roll with the kidnapping idea and turn it into roleplay. I tell her that she's going to a meat factory, where me and my Japanese ninja friends are going to cut her to pieces and sell the meat for $2 a piece. She demands she be sold for millions of dollars. That's how valuable she sees herself as.
As we drive back to my place.. where I'm taking her (trying to f-close), she catches on, so I tell her my place is the meat factory. I tell her I'm going to drop off the fries (we didn't eat it) for my roommate, and she should come upstairs with me for a sec. So she does, but she acts kinda funny. I try to convince her to hang out for a sec, maybe sit on the couch or check out some dramas I have. She doesn't want to. She keeps pointing at her watch telling me it's late.
So after failing to show her one k-drama, I take her back outside. We go down the stairs, but she likes the view from my backyard and starts to look at it. At this point, I come from behind and just caveman hug her. I get a little bit of resistance, but I keep strong, and begin pulling her around me -- keeping good push/pull. We look at the view for a sec, then I kiss her. She looks at me stupid, so I kiss her again. Then I tell her to kiss me. She's all like "NO WAY!!" So I tell her in Korean, to kiss me. She's super suprised that I know the korean words. I still have her in my arms and we are just sorta walking around being dumb. I point out to her different sceneries in our backyard, show her the mountains, go in for the kiss again.
We walk towards my car, but then I tell her I'm kidnapping her and taking her to the 'real' meat factory where I shall cut her up into pieces. She resists, but my arms are stronger and I keep teasing. She says "why.. you ate already...?" I say, "I'm a hungry man.. I eat a lot.. that's why I have to workout so much.." "I'm not food", she says. "I like korean food.. you're korean food..mmmmmm". She starts giggling.
We make it to the pool where I tell her I'm going BBQ her korean style, but she runs ahead and jumps on the reclining beach chair and tells me to serve her wine. Like I'm some waiter.. she addresses me that way. I jump on her and she goes "owww.. you're hurting me". I go in for the deep kiss. She pushes me away, then I do it again. She responds and we go at it. Probably for like a good minute. Then she says to me as I pull away ... "don't think you've got me... many guys chase after me, don't think you're the only one".
So I start laughing and say the same thing back to her.."A lot of girls chase me.. I'm really a playboy like you said..haaha, and now I've got you..". She says "no way, you haven't gotten me.. you'll never get me." So I kiss her on the lips. Then I pull back and say "I got you". She starts saying stuff in korean.. like she's trying to make fun of me, cause I don't know korean.
But I hear some words I know, and surprise her again. Then we just talk about kpop and some things we both listen to. I have her arms in mine, better angle as we are sitting together. After a little bit of her shit tests, I go in again for another makeout. This time it's furious.. girl is freaky.. loves the tongue.
We stop, then I talk to her again about random stuff for a couple min. Then I go in again and accidently hit her teeth. She says "You suck. You're a bad kisser! LOL". I laugh it off and just talk.
A few min later I go in again. We makeout for like 4 min, and I'm going down on her neck and her boobs area. She won't let me finger her yet, but I know she's really horned up. She's pulling me hard into her. I decide to tease her a bit, for all the teasing she's done to me. I kiss, but I don't give her everything. I pull back a a little, then go hard, then pull back, then do it again. She gets frustrated but pulls me harder really trying to get the kiss. I'm like hellz yah.. work for it!! I'm able to reach down a little and finger, and I can hear her squirm a bit. But I can't pull her... she's still resisting.
I finally decide in my mind, logistically I can't take it to my room, so I'll just save game and do this another day. So I take her off me, we talk holding hands for a while, then I take her home.
Thoughts
========
- I've never been shit tested so hard by anyone. This girl definitely thinks she's super hot. So she acts like guys should treat her like a princess.
- I almost choded out and gave into her princess frame. But I knew it was bs and thanks to all the gaming I've been doing out in the field, I could break those dumb frames and just persist.
- I created my own bs on the fly, roleplayed with the meat factory thing, and just led..to a great makeout place. I also kept the date extremely sexual.. not boring friend zone conversation stuff... I made an effort to keep up the kissing and tease her when it got super hot.. so she wanted more.
- That's my goal.. make them crave the sexual excitement.. so when she hangs out with me again.. she jumps on me faster...
- Don't give up.. when you have a hard girl.. just stay true to your belief in your own game and be cool. Practice makes perfect.. now that I've gone through this, next time with the next girl will be easier! So be sure to practice!
- Cloud
Quick FR - Lunchbreak at Vons 2-23-10
Was dying of hunger and thinking of giving into Taco Bell. Fuck that. Not going to let my workout go to waste! Kicked my ass to the grocery store.
When I got there, I realized.. oh wow I can sarge too. Maybe. I choded out for a sec, but then I just decided to breathe easy and just relax. I got some food then I saw a woman checking out the same chicken patties I was at a freezer aisle. So I situationally opened out of it.
I just mentioned the protein count being really high per patty - like 44g of protein which is awesome. She said "yeah, they're good, and organic too.. but they don't have enough pieces! I have to feed a family of 6 and there's not enough here!"
So we compared different patties in the freezer then ultimately decided Costco was the best place for her to go to. She agreed and out of the corner of my eye I saw a really pretty latina girl walking around. I said bye and began to manuver my way to the latina.
HBLatina opened me first though! She was a salesperson trying to get me to open a bank account at USBank. As she was doing her sales pitch I stopped her and reverse framed asking if I knew her. "I think I've seen you before somewhere.." as I begin to do my horsegirl opener from last night.
HBLatina: "Really, where?"
Cloud: "Did we go to school together? (Still stalling with horsegirl..)
HBLatina: "Umm not sure.. where did you go..?"
Cloud: "Ummm.. trying to remember.."
HBLatina: "I went to XX highschool, then RCC and now UCR for business school..."
Cloud: "That must be it! I think I saw you at UCR."
HBLatina: "Oh are you a business major too?"
Cloud: "Yeah.. but I work now.."
At this point I completely abandon Horse Girl.. I was already in conversation with her and my AFC voice was telling me it wouldn't make sense to stack into it. So I just asked her regular stuff like "oh, so what are you doing now here?"
She told me she was a sales consultant for the bank and how the bank was growing. We talked about jobs at banks, that's where I accidently led the conversation to, so I asked her what her name was again and she told me. Then she had to go so I said bye.
After that got my food and came back to work..
Thoughts
========
I felt really good for opening again, even if it was a few more times. Grocery shopping is turning out to be a fun experience. I was in super state after doing those things even if it was for a little bit. Grocery shopping + Sarging = Great way to practice stuff for the weekends and also boost own state. If you're in need of an anti-depressant, go out and sarge.
With HBLatina, I prob could have finished the horse girl opener. It would have led to a better contingency. My hesitation led to boring nice guy routine, and I walked away without attraction nor a number. Ah well, no beating up of myself! =) This is all fun. I'll get it.
When I got there, I realized.. oh wow I can sarge too. Maybe. I choded out for a sec, but then I just decided to breathe easy and just relax. I got some food then I saw a woman checking out the same chicken patties I was at a freezer aisle. So I situationally opened out of it.
I just mentioned the protein count being really high per patty - like 44g of protein which is awesome. She said "yeah, they're good, and organic too.. but they don't have enough pieces! I have to feed a family of 6 and there's not enough here!"
So we compared different patties in the freezer then ultimately decided Costco was the best place for her to go to. She agreed and out of the corner of my eye I saw a really pretty latina girl walking around. I said bye and began to manuver my way to the latina.
HBLatina opened me first though! She was a salesperson trying to get me to open a bank account at USBank. As she was doing her sales pitch I stopped her and reverse framed asking if I knew her. "I think I've seen you before somewhere.." as I begin to do my horsegirl opener from last night.
HBLatina: "Really, where?"
Cloud: "Did we go to school together? (Still stalling with horsegirl..)
HBLatina: "Umm not sure.. where did you go..?"
Cloud: "Ummm.. trying to remember.."
HBLatina: "I went to XX highschool, then RCC and now UCR for business school..."
Cloud: "That must be it! I think I saw you at UCR."
HBLatina: "Oh are you a business major too?"
Cloud: "Yeah.. but I work now.."
At this point I completely abandon Horse Girl.. I was already in conversation with her and my AFC voice was telling me it wouldn't make sense to stack into it. So I just asked her regular stuff like "oh, so what are you doing now here?"
She told me she was a sales consultant for the bank and how the bank was growing. We talked about jobs at banks, that's where I accidently led the conversation to, so I asked her what her name was again and she told me. Then she had to go so I said bye.
After that got my food and came back to work..
Thoughts
========
I felt really good for opening again, even if it was a few more times. Grocery shopping is turning out to be a fun experience. I was in super state after doing those things even if it was for a little bit. Grocery shopping + Sarging = Great way to practice stuff for the weekends and also boost own state. If you're in need of an anti-depressant, go out and sarge.
With HBLatina, I prob could have finished the horse girl opener. It would have led to a better contingency. My hesitation led to boring nice guy routine, and I walked away without attraction nor a number. Ah well, no beating up of myself! =) This is all fun. I'll get it.
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